A.
Dulgarian: Oh, that’s the tracks?
D.
Yanosh: That’s the railroad tracks.
A. Dulgarian: Okay. So you have Route 302 and Route 17M?
D.
Yanosh: I could screen the other side a little bit from both ways to protect
the
Currier’s and the Rotundo’s on either side. I could do that.
I can put spaces down here and tell you I can put thirty cars.
A.
Dulgarian: Nobody stores cars. The majority of what we’ve seen are
camper trailers, boats, landscapers and trailers and everything we’re
talking about is twenty feet plus and I question the radius on these one-way.
Are they going to be able to swing. Where are they going to park these things
and I think they should be shown. I don’t have a vendetta against it
as long as it shown on the map. I’m leery about stamping this map without
seeing them on there.
G.
Lake: Why don’t we get all the comments in and then we will make
a decision if we want to make him clean it up and come back. I think at this
point I think it is a valid one.
P.
Owen: Mr. Dulgarian isn’t the only one who has concerns of the turning
radius and seeing what vehicles and how many fit back there.
D.
Yanosh: If you look at it, you’re coming straight up Route 302 you
come straight down the hill and you can swing any way, back up in between any
of those. The access roads are twenty five feet wide.
P. Owen: If there are vehicles back there, they can do that? They can swing
around and turn around.
D.
Yanosh: Again, you’re looking at a maximum of fifty to sixty people
a day coming to this facility.
P.
Owen: I’m
talking about the vehicles behind there.
D. Yanosh: Oh, behind here, back here. What I will do with that is . . .
P.
Owen: That’s what I’m
talking about.
D. Yanosh: What I will do with that is . . .
P.
Owen: I’m
not talking about the people driving through.
D. Yanosh: I can define a good radius back in here to say that’s the
limit of where we’re going to park those vehicles.
P. Owen: Okay.
D. Yanosh: I can do that with no problem at all.
P. Owen: Now people going on to park back there, which way are they going
to get back there? Are they going to take this one-way traffic?
D.
Yanosh: Everybody comes in this way and down the hill then turn around
and come back
up the same way. There’s enough room back there to go straight
in and come straight out again.
P. Owen: Is there a drive on the other side?
D. Yanosh: Yes.
P. Owen: Is there going to be anything as far as signage or some type of direction
to present to people?
D. Yanosh: You can always pull out this way and come around the corner that
way. We could put signage out there Exit Only to back up the hill again.
G. Lake: Twenty five feet is a normal road.
D. Yanosh: Yes it is.
D. McGoey: Yes.
R.
Carr: I concur on the previous comments. In addition, where you have the
fence it
looks like you’ve got a tree separation in the rear.
D. Yanosh: A little bit of brush.
R. Carr: It’s not a little bit of brush. There are trees on both sides
of this stone wall. Based on what I see, you’re going to take down all
those trees. In my way of thinking that’s a great border if you looked
at it as I did today there were thirty four to forty foot trees there. I would
like to see that you keep that buffer.
J. Barnett: As many as we can. We want to leave as much of a natural buffer.
R. Carr: I would like to see that somehow. The other thing, what is this spot
going to be used for?
J. Barnett: It will be an office area with selling of boxes, etc.
R. Carr: The other thing is I think you need to beef up the landscaping in
the front.
J. Barnett: Yes. We want to make it as attractive as possible.
R. Carr: My main concern is to leave that buffer there.
J. Barnett: As much as we possibly can.
G. Luenzmann: How high is this stone wall and this stone wall? Are they like
two feet, four feet?
D. Yanosh: Yes.
G.
Luenzmann: The way this whole project appears to me is you’re going
downhill maybe twenty five feet and this house here is going to be looking
over the roof tops of all the buildings. It was just mentioned, and I support,
that we keep a good buffer here and if there are any trees in that area then
we try and preserve them.
J. Barnett: Absolutely.
G.
Luenzmann: Because we need to watch out for that house right there so that
they have
a setting so it doesn’t look industrial.
J.
Barnett: Their privacy. No, I don’t want that.
G. Luenzmann: That would be the only comment I have is that we keep the trees
here and also I support full foliage in front and landscaping.
G. Monaco: I would like to see a little more detailed landscaping but also
and I know you said that you would like to keep some natural tree growth
in there as possible for the preservation of screening in the back.
J.
Barnett: To answer your question, I’m looking at two things. One,
the privacy fencing and also in the back of his property about twenty years
ago I planted some evergreens. I plan on moving those as needed out of the
back and bring into the front.
T. Hamilton: Screening, especially around the neighbors house there in the
front.
J. Barnett: Absolutely.
T. Hamilton: The aluminum slats.
J.
Barnett: I don’t know what they’re made of.
T.
Hamilton: If you go down to Rockland County, the Town of Ramapo Highway
Department.
They have a chain link fence and it looks like pine needles. Let
me tell you, it has been there for years and it looks great. Better than the
metal things. Dick, the only thing we really have on storage here at all, is
outside storage of building supplies, raw materials, and equipment? We don’t
have anything in there for storage buildings?
D. McGoey: No.
T. Hamilton: We should get to the review committee to try and come up with
something for that to give us something more to go by. Your fence in the back
is how high?
D. Yanosh: Six feet.
T.
Hamilton: Even the equipment that is going to be stored in the back you
can’t
be any higher than that fence according to the zoning.
G. Lake: How did we handle that at H. O. Penn?
G. Barone: They were in a different zone.
T. Hamilton: I think at some point we should have trees over a certain size
flagged, counted.
If you go out on Schutt Road all of a sudden nothing is there.
A. Dulgarian: They were marked but not marked to stay.
T.
Hamilton: We really weren’t enforcing it. Show them and mark them
on here so that we know what is supposed to stay.
J. Barnett: I do put shrubbery and landscaping around my property because
I want it to be attractive to people and my tenants.
T.
Hamilton: The only thing I’m worrying about is the rest of the property
around this. That will come in at some point and get developed. We don’t
want this guy to have to screen so we don’t have to look at you.
J. Barnett: Hopefully the trees I put in will be bigger.
G.
Lake: The big question and I think you already know what we want as far
as keeping
the trees and screening. I know that landscapers, I don’t
think we’re approving landscapers to work out of there. It’s one
thing if the stuff is stored there for the winter but it is another thing with
guys coming in every day to pick something up back and forth. I don’t
think that’s what this Board is looking for either. Do you want to see
this map again? We can table it and let them clean it up or do a subject to.
A.
Dulgarian: I’m against subject to. I would rather see it approved
without any rear outside storage or approve it showing with the outside storage.
I don’t mind subject to’s with Dick on engineering things or landscaping
things but this is different.
G. Lake: Right.
A.
Dulgarian: How can we approve a Site Plan that’s going to have outside
storage if we don’t actually see where it is?
G.
Lake: Okay. That’s what I’m asking you. What do you want to
do? The Public Hearing is closed.
D. Yanosh: My question is, what do you want us to show, five trailers, five
boats, six motor homes?
A. Dulgarian: Show us a forty foot spot, a thirty foot spot. This is where
they are going to be.
G. Lake: I think they want to see the radius.
D. Yanosh: Okay.
G. Lake: They want to see how many pieces for outside storage. They want to
make sure that they fit back there and if something happens, the fire department
can also get in.
D. Yanosh: I have no problem with that.
G.
Lake: I think that’s all their asking for and I think they want to
see it. I agree, we just can’t turn around and say put one hundred things
back there.
D.
Yanosh: I have no problem with that. What I’m saying that what Mr.
Dulgarian is asking for is to limit what we want to put back there as to how
many of what and I don’t see.
G.
Lake: I don’t think he . . .
A. Dulgarian: I just want to see the sizes and see how they are going to fit.
G. Lake: Do we have to do the sixty two days?
G. Barone: Yes.
G. Lake: Do you agree to waive the sixty two day time frame?
D. Yanosh: Yes.
MOTION made to TABLE this application for further review and applicant waives
the sixty two day time frame made by T. Hamilton and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A. Dulgarian: Aye
P. Owen: Aye
R. Carr: Aye
T. Hamilton: Aye
G. Monaco: Aye
G. Luenzmann: Aye
G. Lake: Aye
MOTION CARRIED. 7 AYES
1. PUBLIC HEARING 7:40 P.M. - PETSMART - SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Dunning Road
(78-1-58.2) #018-003
G. Lake: Public Hearing started at 8:12 P.M. C. Kelly read the Public Hearing
Notice.
C. Kelly: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a PUBLIC HEARING of the Planning Board
of the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York, will be held at the Town
Hall at 600 Route 211 East, in said Town, on the 4th day of June, 2003 at 7:30
P.M. or as soon thereafter as the matter can be heard that day on the application
of Petsmart, Inc., 19601 North 27th Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona, for approval
of a Special Use Permit permitting grooming services within the existing Petsmart
store located in the Dunning Farms Shopping Center under Section 249-C(9) of
the Zoning Law of the Town of Wallkill. All parties of interest will be heard
at said time and place. S/Gary Lake, Chairman
G. Lake: Tell us what you plan to do.
L.
Wolinsky: Just to refresh your recollection. This is an existing operating
facility
at Dunning Farms. When the Certificate of Occupancy was issued for
the operation of this store, it contained a notation that a Special Permit
was required in order for them to commence their grooming services. The grooming
services have not been commenced subject to obtaining this Special Use Permit.
The total square footage of the existing building is twenty three thousand
two hundred eighty eight square feet. Eight hundred and sixty square feet is
allocated to grooming with four grooming stations. There’s no overnight
stays of animals. We were asked to do a photocopy of the Site Plan and put
a note on so it can be placed in the record indicating that grooming would
be occurring on the premises. We’ve done that. I’ve handed that
out to each of you. I’ve also attached with that a floor plan so you
can see the grooming area.
G. Lake: Basically everything is already there.
L. Wolinsky: Everything. All constructed.
G. Lake: This came out through the Building Department. Let me go through
the Board.
A. Dulgarian: The front entrance is right off of here as it is now?
L. Wolinsky: Yes.
A. Dulgarian: Is there going to be an entrance off of here also?
L. Wolinsky: No.
A. Dulgarian: What is this service area?
L. Wolinsky: There is another area also allocated for veterinary services
which is not approved yet.
A. Dulgarian: Okay.
L.
Wolinsky: We’re not looking at that this evening. I didn’t
give you the whole picture. There was a second note on the Certificate of Occupancy
that said, no veterinary services without another Special Use Permit. They’re
not ready for that yet and until such time as they are.
P. Owen: I just have one question. The receiving area?
L. Wolinsky: Let me bring Mr. Hutchinson up to answer that because he is the
operation person from Arizona.
W. Hutchinson: This was the former Service Merchandise store. The delivery
truck would bring the merchandise here and is stocked in this area and brought
into the store by hand or hand carts this way.
P. Owen: Okay.
W. Hutchinson: This is the veterinary clinic portion and the place highlighted
is the grooming area only.
P. Owen: I thought all the shaded area went with it.
R. Carr: Nothing.
G. Luenzmann: No. I have no problem with this. It is an application that I
can see that this belongs.
G. Monaco: As a service it seems to be comparable. I have no problem.
T. Hamilton: The animals coming in, they have to come in through the main
sales department of the store?
L. Wolinsky: Yes.
MOTION to close this PUBLIC HEARING at 8:47 P.M. made by A. Dulgarian and
seconded by P. Owen.
A. Dulgarian: Aye
P. Owen: Aye
R. Carr: Aye
T. Hamilton: Aye
G. Monaco: Aye
G. Luenzmann: Aye
G. Lake: Aye
MOTION CARRIED. 7 AYES
G. Lake: Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on this application?
MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by G. Luenzmann and seconded by P.
Owen.
A. Dulgarian: Aye
P. Owen: Aye
R. Carr: Aye
T. Hamilton: Aye
G. Monaco: Aye
G. Luenzmann: Aye
G. Lake: Aye
MOTION CARRIED. 7 AYES
MOTION for SPECIAL USE PERMIT for the grooming service made by A. Dulgarian
and seconded by G. Luenzmann.
A. Dulgarian: Aye
P. Owen: Aye
R. Carr: Aye
T. Hamilton: Aye
G. Monaco: Aye
G. Luenzmann: Aye
G. Lake: Aye
MOTION CARRIED. 7 AYES
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