TOWN OF WALLKILL
PLANNING BOARD MEETING
JANUARY 2, 2002

MEMBERS PRESENT: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MEMBERS ABSENT: T. Hamilton

OTHERS PRESENT: D. McGoey

1. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING - LONGABARDI - 5 LOT SUBDIVISION - Mapes Road (48-1-4.9) #025-001

G. Lake: Continuation of Public Hearing started at 7:33 P.M.

D. Yanosh: I am the surveyor for the project. We have a one hundred fifty three acre parcel of land in the RA zone on Mapes and Abramhamson Road. The proposal in front of you tonight is to cut four residential lots off of Mapes Road with the remaining land being vacant. The lots are 1.5, 1.7, 1.66 and 1.63 acres and the remaining property which Mr. Longabardi still owns and has a house on it is 146.8 acre +/-.

V. Werany: I have nothing at this time.

P. Owen: Nothing right now.

G. Luenzmann: Nothing.

G. Lake: I will go to the public now. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to close this Public Hearing.

MOTION to close the PUBLIC HEARING at 7:35 P.M. made by V. Werany and seconded by P. Owen.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

G. Lake: The last time you were here there were a couple of comments. Do you have Mr.

McGoey's new letter?

D. Yanosh: Yes.

G. Lake: Do you want to go through those for us and explain about the Middletown watershed.

D. Yanosh: They wrote a letter, I brought a copy back the last time I was here. They wanted me to change note #12 which I have changed on sheet #2. I didn't send the maps in that time because I just got the letter that day. My last revision when I get done with Eustance & Horowitz will have that note on it explicitly stating what the City of Middletown wants on that note keeping everything away from the watershed. That was their only objection to the plans.

V. Werany: You will revise that comment?

D. Yanosh: Yes.

G. Lake: All the other comments?

D. Yanosh: The site distance thing for lot #1 and lot #2, I put on note on there that it all will be done together at one time, who ever builds first does both of them.

D. McGoey: That will do it.

D. Yanosh: We have no problem then. The plans are in to Eustance & Horowitz now for septic approval and hopefully we will get that shortly.

G. Lake: Dick, do you have anything else on this?

D. McGoey: No.

G. Lake: Anything else from the Board? Should we give this a Negative Declaration at this time?

D. McGoey: Negative Declaration and grant them Preliminary Approval.

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by P. Owen and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

Motion for PRELIMINARY APPROVAL subject to D. McGoey's comments and letter from City of Middletown made by G. Luenzmann and seconded by P. Owen.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

2. PUBLIC HEARING 7:35 P.M. - NICAJ - 9 LOT SUBDIVISION - Sands Road (14-2-22.3, 22.4) #040-001

G. Lake: Public Hearing started at 7:37 P.M. C. Kelly read the Public Hearing notice.

C. Kelly: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a PUBLIC HEARING of the Planning Board of the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York, will be held at the Town Hall, 600 Route 211 East, in said Town on the 2nd day of January, 2002 at 7:30 P.M. or as soon thereafter as the matter can be heard that day on the application of Nicaj for approval of nine single family residential building lots on Sands Road approximately one half mile north of New York State Route 17 under Section 249-47 of the Zoning Law of the Town of Wallkill. All parties of interest will be heard at said time and place. G. Lake, Chairman

J. Nosek: I am with Roger Ferris Engineering & Surveying.

G. Lake: Do you want to give us a description of what you want to do?

J. Nosek: This is a proposed nine lot subdivision on the east side of Sands Road. We're proposing a cul-de-sac dead end road of approximately eight hundred and sixty feet. This road is proposed to be dedicated to the Town of Wallkill upon completion and acceptance. Each lot will be service by individual well and septic systems which have been designed accordingly on the plans. We've also proposed a dry hydrant which will provide water protection in the event of a fire from the existing pond that's on the premises. Lots vary in size from approximately 1.7 acres to about 5.8 acres. There are two existing houses on the property now. One will remain as part of one of the lots and the other will be removed and a new home constructed.

G. Lake: Before I go to the Public do you have anything new on this?

V. Werany: No.

P. Owen: Nothing new right now.

G. Luenzmann: No.

MOTION to close this PUBLIC HEARING at 7:40 P.M. made by V. Werany and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

G. Lake: Do you receive Dick's comments?

J. Nosek: I did receive them.

G. Lake: Do you want to go over those?

J. Nosek: Yes. Item #1 regarding the right-of-way consideration maintaining drainage flows. We did talk about that. We are going to have to propose a swale and carry it into the proposed road side swale to avoid ponding. We have no objection to addressing that. Details of the street light. We have no objection to that. Dry hydrant. Consideration to providing some sort of support underneath the pipe. No objection to that. We will take care of that. 20' by 20' drainage easement needs to be clarified. That's fine. Item #5 is the fifteen inch drainage pipe leading to the cul-de-sac should have downstream protection. We have no objection to that. We will revise the plan accordingly. Item #6 is requesting a full thirty foot wide roadway width and the discussion on curbing. This is something that the Board needs to discuss. I did have a meeting with Dan Patanaude at the site and he was of the opinion that curbing really would not be necessary for this due to the size and the nature of the project. This is something that the Board needs to discuss with us.

G. Lake: We will get back to that one.

J. Nosek: I'm not quite sure what you want by the ten foot stabilized easement beyond the edge of pavement. We do provide a suitable turnaround so that vehicles can get in and out and the road does meet the Town specifications either the alternate of the regular Town specifications. Maybe we can discuss that. Item #8 is Health Department approval, which we understand.

G. Lake: The thirty foot road, you talked to Mr. Patanaude and he wants you to do a twenty four or did he leave it up to us totally?

J. Nosek: There was no discussion on the width of the road but there was a discussion on curbing. He felt that curbing would not be necessary on this due to the fact that it's a dead end road and essentially serving nine lots. I could follow up with some sort of documentation from him if the Board would like that. I don't know what the Board's position is given the fact that this is a nine lot subdivision and there's really no potential for future subdivision here because of the fact that it borders the Town of Wallkill Golf Course behind it.

P. Owen: It's a very rural area as well.

G. Lake: I think items #6 and #7 go together. I think what's happening is the fire department wants to make sure the shoulders are substantial to support the apparatus. I think those two items we need to clarify. We can send the fire department a note and try to find out exactly what they mean as far as the ten foot stabilization goes. I'm really not sure what they are looking for.

D. McGoey: What's that?

G. Lake: As far as roadway goes, I think what we did the last time was we went to twenty four with three and three.

J. Nosek: Are you saying three foot shoulders so that if you wanted it to be brought up to thirty it could.

G. Lake: It would be a thirty foot width.

V. Werany: I think the reasoning behind that was it was a rural type development and not a Scotchtown busy area and it seemed adequate out there.

G. Lake: We still have the thirty feet to get the apparatus down and that's been our goal.

J. Nosek: We have no objection to that if that's what the Board wants.

D. McGoey: Is that a twenty four foot roadway pavement and a three foot paved shoulder on each side?

G. Lake: Correct.

A. Dulgarian: Yes. I thought that's what we did the last time.

V. Werany: Yes.

P. Owen: Yes, that's fine.

G. Luenzmann: Yes.

G. Lake: I know in more congested areas we've been asking for curbs but Dick, do you find that satisfactory?

D. McGoey: My recommend was for curbs. I know Dan doesn't necessarily care for.

G. Lake: We're trying to keep him happy and the fire department happy and yet end up with a . . . I think #7 goes away but let me find out for sure by contacting the fire department for a better understanding of what they want there.

V. Werany: Nothing.

A. Dulgarian: Why is the curbing going away? Dan doesn't want it?

G. Lake: In the rural sections Dan is not in favor of the thirty foot roads.

A. Dulgarian: I understand that.

G. Lake: He feels in the rural sections it is not needed. What we worked out the last time with the last applicant was that the twenty four foot.

A. Dulgarian: I understand the width but I was just wondering about the curbs.

V. Werany: Does this have anything to do with the plowing end of it?

D. McGoey: It's partially plowing because a thirty foot road requires three passes, a twenty four foot road requires two passes.

V. Werany: I understand the thirty foot but what about the curbing. Does that involve problems with plowing?

D. McGoey: No.

G. Lake: I think this is a very rural area out here and I don't think they care necessary.

V. Werany: I agree with that.

P. Owen: I don't think curbing is necessarily a good character in that area.

G. Lake: We're going to send him away with direction on this so I'm assuming we're sending him away with a twenty four foot. Are there any further questions from the Board?

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by G. Luenzmann and seconded by V. Werany.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

MOTION for PRELIMINARY APPROVAL subject to D. McGoey's comments made by V. Werany and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 5 AYES

3. PUBLIC HEARING 7:40 P.M. - ALLEN - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - County Route 76/Allen Lane (3-1-7.2) #047-001

G. Lake: Public Hearing started at 7:40 P.M. C. Kelly read the Public Hearing notice.

C. Kelly: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a PUBLIC HEARING of the Planning Board of the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York will be held at the Town Hall at 600 Route 211 East, in said Town on the 2nd day of January, 2002 at 7:30 P.M. or as soon thereafter as the matter can be heard that day on the application of Allen, Bloomingburg, New York for approval of a

D. Yanosh: It is a four acre piece of property on Allen Lane which is a private road off of Bloomingburg Road in a PID zone. The proposal is for a outdoor storage yard for building equipment and supplies and also to store his equipment inside the garage and maintain them inside. It would be just his own equipment, that's it. I did most of the stuff that was required before. Dick had some more comments to finish up.

G. Lake: Before I go to the Public, any questions from the Board?

V. Werany: Where is that stockade fence going?

D. Yanosh: What I showed you now is we have a line of nice pine trees. If you have not been to the site at all, there is a nice line of pine trees that stick right next to each other, right through there where I show it right now. Behind that is open grass and then the other side is wooded. What we are going to do is when we put a pile there or something there we will put a stockade fence that corner so Mr. Angeloni can't see it. He's the only neighbor who can look at this spot right here. There are no houses in the back here on the Furlin property at all.
G. Lake: I was just going to say doesn't Furlin have cottages back there?

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