T. Hamilton: Dick, on the question on the setbacks. I see you have thirteen different lots listed.

D. McGoey: Right.

T. Hamilton: If it's a problem with the septic being placed that's creating this why not eliminate lots that you can move the septic and still put the houses back further.

D. McGoey: We've come a long way Tom. We did require that they increase lot widths during Sketch Plan. They did that. They do meet the front yard setbacks but I still think that even where the septic systems are located they can still push these houses back five or ten feet from the front lot. I'm not talking about a major move.

G. Lake: This applicant has come a long way. We've had several work sessions. They have been here a few times.

L. Potter: We're not objecting to taking a closer look at that.

G. Lake: Dick, do you want to hold off and look at this again or are these comments you can live with?

D. McGoey: I can live with them. It's up to the Board. I don't have a problem with it.

T. Hamilton: Are we going to need time to check out this Agricultural Data Statement?

D. McGoey: It apparently isn't in the district.

G. Lake: Is there a harm in asking to do it?

D. McGoey: To check it? We can check it also.

T. Hamilton: Just to make sure that we don't miss it.

G. Lake: Like I said, if we didn't have so many work sessions and as many meetings, I would probably ask to table this to be honest with you with twenty items here tonight. I know we've all worked hard to get it this far. The explanation with the water and the Health Department. I hadn't heard that before. Is that new?

L. Potter: Fairly recent.

V. Werany: I'm still kind of in the dark about this water problem. I think if I read you right you said that it's going to be checked out the County Health Department.

L. Potter: Yes.

V. Werany: How will she get an answer to that?

L. Potter: I can make sure she gets it.

V. Werany: She does have concerns and her neighbors. Apparently they would like the answer to it. Is that going to be posted as a Public Notice or will she get a letter or something?

L. Potter: I can check with the Health Department how they would handle that.

G. Lake: At the same token, they have to come back. This isn't final. This is only Preliminary to get there.

T. Hamilton: To the Health Department.

G. Lake: We can't answer that until they get there.

V. Werany: I was just wondering how she would find out.

G. Lake: How she would find out is through the newspaper watching our legal notice and watching for this item to come back in.

T. Hamilton: Either that or she could even drop a line to the Health Department to be advised.

V. Werany: The only reason I brought it up is because I don't think she really got an answer to her question.

L. Potter: There really isn't an answer that I can give her right now other than the fact that the Health Department is requiring test wells especially on larger subdivisions to see what is going to happen to the water tables.

V. Werany: When they tests for wells are they testing for that particular area or will their tests show how it will affect the wells in the areas contiguous to it?

L. Potter: I'm not sure how far it will affect. It will depend upon the Health Department.

V. Werany: Does that depend on the grading or how deep?

L. Potter: Within that subdivision even though everybody uses water but most of the water is going back into where it came from. Eventually it's going to be seeping down through the septic system. I understand the concerns. Out in this area also you have to look at that many of these farms were farmed. There were farm animals on these farms. Except for several horses that are adjoining, there's no cattle.

G. Lake: Is there anything else from the Board?

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by T. Hamilton and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

MOTION for CONDITIONAL PRELIMINARY approval subject to the County Health Department and D. McGoey's comments made by V. Werany and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

4. GRILLO - LOT LINE CHANGE - Schutt Road (89-7-1,2) #002-002

D. Yanosh: I am the surveyor for the project. Linda Grillo is the owner of two residential houses bordered on Schutt Road and Rolling Meadows Road. It's in the R-1 zone. The tax lot #1 has right now .39 acres and tax lot #2 has 1.113 acres. A lot line change to even them out a little bit more and straighten the lot out between the two properties. She does own both deeds. It's really cleaning up what was done many years ago off the farm when Schutt Road was put in and Rolling Meadows Road was done.

P. Owen: That concrete block garage. Is that being used by the people who live in the one story house?

D. Yanosh: Yes.

G. Lake: Back to the Board.

V. Werany: No. Looks good to me.

A. Dulgarian: Good.

P. Owen: I like it.

G. Luenzmann: Good.

T. Hamilton: No.

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by T. Hamilton and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

MOTION for a LOT LINE CHANGE made by V. Werany and seconded by P. Owen.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

5. BEAMESDERFER/STILWAGEN - LOT LINE CHANGE - Shaw Road (24-1-55.4) #001-002

T. Johnson: What we would like to do is move the one lot line which would take lot #1 on the map from 16.7 to 6.7 and move our lot from a 20.439 to a 30.439.

G. Lake: Can you point out the line you are changing?

T. Johnson: Yes. The dotted line right there. We would like to move it to here and move ours.

G. Lake: Did you get Dick's comments?

T. Johnson: Yes, and they have been addressed.

D. McGoey: Is the application signed by both applicants?

C. Kelly: Yes.

D. McGoey: Item #2, the lot improvements that are shown on the map, structures, septic wells. They're proposing to remove those from the lots so, we are not approving them.

G. Lake: I'm sorry.

D. McGoey: On the map is an indoor arena, a house and a barn and a storage shed.

G. Lake: Right.

D. McGoey: They did have sufficient detail for us to approve those so I would recommend that we not approve those structures. What they will do is remove those improvements from the lot before the Chairman signs the map.

A. Dulgarian: So, it is strictly a lot line.

D. McGoey: It is simply a lot line change.

G. Lake: Dick, are you still recommending no action tonight?

D. McGoey: No. It can be conditioned upon removing the improvements. Item #2 is my recommendation.

G. Lake: I will go back to the Board.

V. Werany: No.

A. Dulgarian: I don't quite understand, where's 53.3 going to be?

P. Owen: As a matter of preference I sort of would like the lines back further where they can extend lot #1 back to where the natural stone wall.

G. Luenzmann: No.

T. Hamilton: Is there a particular reason to square it off or is it just for convenience?

D. Beamesderfer: It's just if the neighborhoods were interested in selling ten acres.

G. Lake: That's what was there. That's what you were saying.

D. Beamesderfer: Yes.

G. Lake: Does anybody have anything else on this?

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by T. Hamilton and seconded by V. Werany.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

MOTION for a LOT LINE CHANGE subject to D. McGoey's comments made by T. Hamilton and seconded by G. Luenzmann.

VOTING AYE: G. Lake, A. Dulgarian, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, P. Owen, V. Werany

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

6. QUICKWAY INDUSTRIAL PARK #7 - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Turner Drive 941-1-57.22) #027-000

R. Winglovitz: When we were here in January we didn't have our rendering that was discussed at our work session. When we last met in October at a work session we discussed two things. The major concern the Board was the visual aspect of it from Route 17. At that work session we presented just an engineers colored drawing but really just showing pictures from Route 17 showing the vegetation that exists between our site and New York State Route 17 with ninety percent of it being in the State right-of-way. It's not going to be vegetation that we will be removing. We also had at that meeting cross sections of the site showing Route 17 down here to wooded areas here at three different locations, at each end of the building and the middle of the building. The west end there is really no retaining wall. There is a retaining wall that will act as actually a screen and on top of that retaining wall we are adding a stockade fence to further visually screen for the highway. What we tried to do with the cross sections is to show the level of site here and over the retaining wall and the fence. You would only be looking at the top of the building above any vehicles. This is actually the proportion of the building that juts out where there will be no trucks parking and only cars parked here.

V. Werany: What's the lower end of the line of site? Is that right on Route 17?

R. Winglovitz: It's on Route 17, yes.

V. Werany: Is that road level or is that somewhat off the ground?

R. Winglovitz: It's level. It should be a four and a half feet.

V. Werany: How much?

R. Winglovitz: Four and a half feet is the line of sight. What we've also done is provided some architectural renderings of the building to give everybody an idea what the building is going to look like. Mr. Frassetto likes to keep a consistency in his architecture. As you can see this is very similar to Chromolloy which is directly in front of it. Landscaping as shown, I believe is as proposed in the landscape plan that's been submitted.

G. Lake: I have a question. Turner Drive and the cul-de-sac right there? What else is able to go off that cul-de-sac?

R. Winglovitz: There is one more lot which is directly behind the Chromolloy building at the bottom of the embankment that is right now under contract to Chromolloy. They have an option on that and they keep renewing it from what I understand. It is potentially one building that could be built right off of Turner Drive.

G. Lake: That's the only way to get out of that lot?

R. Winglovitz: Correct. There's another lot that was part of the original industrial subdivision that has access actually up opposite Industrial, a long skinny stem. We're considering giving access, we set it up that way, from Tower to that lot.

G. Lake: Basically right now you're telling me there is another lot off of that cul-de-sac. The reason I brought it up is because I was up there to take a look. Cul-de-sacs, and I'm thinking of the one off of Rondack where we put a road through from point A to point B which is always filled with crap. I was really going to say if you didn't have a lot there, I was going to say could you do something with that.

R. Winglovitz: There was obviously a Town Road proposed as part of the original commercial subdivision that was proposed here. This is the architect's rendering from Route 17 showing the existing vegetation.

T. Hamilton: There are no pines there though?

R. Winglovitz: No pines. There are very few evergreens.

T. Hamilton: So in the winter time you will see it all.

R. Winglovitz: It will be much more visible. You will see the wall and the fence.

G. Lake: Didn't we ask you the last time you were here or at a work session if you could check with New York State to see if you could put a few pines in their right-of-way?

R. Winglovitz: We talked about potential. I did not check but I could do that.

T. Hamilton: Is there a way of putting it on their property without going into the right-of-way?

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