TOWN OF WALLKILL PLANNING BOARD

MEETING

MARCH 19, 2003

MEMBERS PRESENT: G. Lake, R. Carr, T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann, G. Monaco, P. Owen

MEMBERS ABSENT: A. Dulgarian

OTHERS PRESENT: G. Barone, D. McGoey

1. RED ROBIN - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Crystal Run Road/Crystal Run Crossings (78-1-80.3) #010-003

T. DePuy: Red Robin is proposing, which is a restaurant chain, a 6,000 square foot building on lot #3 of Crystal Run Crossing which is adjacent to the Carabba site. We have been to several work sessions and I think we’ve answered most of the questions which were outstanding technical items. You had several questions on traffic. Did Mr. Grealy?

D. McGoey: I saw something from him.

T. DePuy: Mr. McGoey will have to review that. He had several questions on the traffic. We will be getting our water service from the water main out in Crystal Run Crossing and we will also have a sewer service coming off the main line sewer off of Crystal Run Crossing. Our storm water on the majority of the site will run to an existing storm water sedimentation and pollution control pond that’s behind Marriott. There is a small area in the front which is not tributary to that and we have a separate little underground sedimentation area proposed for that area.

G. Lake: Tom, also on this plan you’re showing a future coffee shop?

T. DePuy: Yes. In order to show the overall development of the site. We’re not asking for approval of that portion of the project at this time. We just did it so that you would see the overall layout of the site to show how it would ultimately be developed out with the second use.

G. Lake: So, you’re not asking for that?

T. DePuy: No.

G. Lake: You’re not asking for it to be phased then?

T. DePuy: Not at this time because we don’t have the exact footprint. We would come back for approval of that at a later date. It’s just that we’re showing the overall development of the site.

G. Lake: So when you come back really what you’re asking for then is for us to basically look at a 2,000 square foot coffee shop that’s going to be on that?

T. DePuy: Yes.

G. Lake: And you’re not going to come back we now need 3,000 square feet. That’s what scares me a little bit. If that footprint changes because you find a different applicant.

T. DePuy: Yes, that’s the problem we had. They originally had this applicant and they’re not sure so we just showed the development out and put future on it. We can remove it from the site plan if you want.

G. Lake: I’m not saying that’s the thing. I’m just saying I want the Board to know this and I just don’t want to see this six months or a year from now where it will be something that you will need variances for. It’s no control of what you’re doing right now and no control over what we’re going to say but at the same time when the new applicant for that parcel comes in and asks for an extra 1,000 square feet, it may affect your parking, etc.

T. DePuy: Right, and that’s why I think we can put a note on there that you’re not giving any kind of approval for that future portion. That wasn’t the intent. The intent was originally to show the whole development.

G. Lake: Why don’t you get between new and the Public Hearing, why don’t you get together with Mr. Barone for the proper language.

T. DePuy: Okay.

T. Hamilton: And, can we have him straighten out all these questions that Mr. McGoey had before he comes back to us again because he had a couple work sessions and we still have fifteen items on here and they shouldn’t still be on here by the time he comes back?

T. DePuy: I think that’s basically the presentation on the overall site.

G. Lake: I think it’s important also to show the Board about where the entrances are to the site.

T. DePuy: Okay. Basically the entrance to the site will be off of Crystal Run Road running up along Hampton Inn and will be entered from the rear but also there’s cross agreements with the property that the Carabba is on so there is the ability to come in behind Carabba’s to get there too. We had that shared parking.

G. Lake: Let me go through the Board.

P. Owen: I don’t have anything.

R. Carr: I was checking all of Dick’s comments. When Carabba’s was in and we were talking about this entrance in the back which is the main entrance of Carabba’s. It doesn’t present this as having all this parking in the back perpendicular to this. If this is the main entrance here and mostly restaurants it requires a lot of parking.

T. DePuy: That was always the proposal from day one.

R. Carr: I don’t think it ever showed that there was parking on it?

T. DePuy: Yes, since 1997. What he is saying is true. When we presented Carabba’s we showed the development with just the aisle way,

R. Carr: Right.

T. DePuy: But this parking has always been proposed again that.

R. Carr: To me, you’ve got a lot of traffic down this road and the parking backed up. My other issue also is there are no sidewalks along the Hampton Inn and here.

G. Luenzmann: I need a clarification with Mr. McGoey on your first comment. I remember we had gone through this when this was first approved back in 1995 or 1996 and we had requested that they put another lane in. Since then we have less square footage than we had back then. Are you saying here that the request we had back then because we now have the square footage being less?

D. McGoey: That’s what they’re saying. They’re saying that the reduction in the square footage and the types of usage will result in a reduction of the traffic and it no longer warrants the need for the extra lane. They’re also saying that with the reconfiguration of Exit 122 if that ever does happen.

G. Luenzmann: Do you concur with that?

D. McGoey: Not yet.

G. Lake: And you did just get a traffic study?

D. McGoey: I just got it.

G. Lake: In all fairness to everybody between now and the Public Hearing to give him time to review that. I think that’s fair.

G. Luenzmann: Fine.

D. McGoey: Yes.

G. Luenzmann: The other thing, just observations, Lot #8 which has the Outback, Lot #7 are crowded now. When they do this, I understand there is shared parking, I would like to see some of the parking problems we have existing now on Lot #7 and Lot #8

T. DePuy: The shared parking agreement covers all lots.

G. Luenzmann: I understand that.

T. Hamilton: But you’re not going to walk from Carabba’s to go to the Outback, come on now,

T. DePuy: I understand and once we get the parking lot at Marriott opened back up that will alleviate some of it off lot #8.

G. Luenzmann: The bottom line is parking is a concern because we do have a problem already and we really need to understand what the traffic mitigations are going to be because of the reduced square footage.

T. DePuy: This lot was originally proposed to have a 60,000 square foot office building.

G. Luenzmann: Which is a lot more parking spots.

G. Lake: Why don’t you between now and the Public Hearing try to clear this up.

T. DePuy: Okay.

D. McGoey: Maybe Tom, you can tell the square footage of the Outback and TGIF versus the number of parking spaces for the Carabba’s and the Red Robin so that we can see what the density of the parking and if it’s the same, we have a problem.

G. Monaco: I have issues with the parking also.

T. Hamilton: Back on the parking Dick, I think that when they came in for the Marriott at that time, the applicant was told to give us a temporary parking on lot #4 which never occurred. That was part of that approval because of the problems we’ve had with Outback and TGIF. When Marriott came in I brought up this same item and we had asked for something on that because at that point the people were parking in the dirt where the Marriott is being built now so with the building going up there where were these people going to go and we requested a temporary lot in lot #4. It never happened. Now you are going to give us another restaurant with shared parking. You’re stretching the word “shared parking”.

G. Lake: Parking is still a concern. Maybe do a little extra work on that and try and answer some of these questions.

T. Hamilton: Also, on the restaurant, what’s the layout going to be in that side where you’re showing that coffee shop being it’s not going to show now. What happens with to that parking?

T. DePuy: That won’t be developed at this time.

T. Hamilton: It’s going to be empty?

T. DePuy: Yes.

T. Hamilton: Nothing in it, nothing improved through there?

T. DePuy: No.

G. Lake: So, you’re not going to build any of that parking?

T. DePuy: No.

T. Hamilton: That’s what I’m trying to say.

G. Lake: Is this one lot or two lots?

T. DePuy: It’s one lot.

G. Lake: We’re going to send you back to another work session. Dick, at the work session, let’s try and work on this?

D. McGoey: Okay.

T. Hamilton: One more thing. Dick, on that slip ramp off of Route 17?

D. McGoey: Right.

T. Hamilton: Is that on the lots being developed or a square foot area?

D. McGoey: It’s on the basis of the traffic contribution so they will be contributing a percentage to that slip ramp.

T. Hamilton: I thought it was kicked in after so many lots.

D. McGoey: No, it was ten percent of the time frame as to when it was to be built but we now have commitments from the two motels and we have one from the Outback and TGIF. We may have the money, I don’t know.

T. Hamilton: For that ramp? Now this applicant?

T. DePuy: They’re going to contribute. It was based on the amount of traffic.

G. Lake: You’ve heard the issues and obviously they are the same ones. Do you still want us to set the Public Hearing tonight?

T. DePuy: Yes, if you can.

MOTION to schedule a PUBLIC HEARING for May7, 2003 made by G. Luenzmann and seconded by P. Owen.

P. Owen: Aye

R. Carr: Aye

T. Hamilton: Aye

G. Monaco: Aye

G. Luenzmann: Aye

G. Lake: Aye

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

2. WALLKILL INDUSTRIAL PARK LOT 2 - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Rykowski Lane (60-1-84) #012-003

J. O’Rourke: This is for Wallkill Industrial Park, lot #2 on Rykowski Lane. It’s a 1.6 acre parcel. What we’re proposing is a 12,200 square foot orthopedic medical office with 2,000 square feet of associated retail with it. We propose to provide eighty seven parking spaces which exceed your requirements. Water, sewer, electric and gas are already in the road. We do have architectural drawings of what the building will look like. It’s a one-story structure with no basements.

G. Lake: Is this the same outfit as Westgate across the street?

D. McGoey: Westage?

G. Lake: Did they build across the street?

D. McGoey: No. Westage built the Crystal Run Health Care on the corner.

G. Lake: That’s what I meant.

D. McGoey: Across the street.

J. O’Rourke: Across the street and up around the corner. We received comments from your Engineer and from your fire company. We are reviewing the engineering comments and we’ve actually addressed some with the latest submission. They are pretty straight forward. Comments concerning the storm drainage which we’ve addressed. We’ve added some handicap parking spaces and detailed some of the storm water drainage facilities. We’ve also received comments from your fire company which we noted the box to be installed on the building and the architect is looking into sprinkling of the building.

G. Lake: How large is it?

J. O’Rourke: Ten thousand medical and then two thousand associated retail. Hours of operation are from 7:00 A.M. to 8:00 P.M. Monday through Friday and from 8:30 A.M. to 1:00 P.M. on Saturdays.

G. Lake: Let me go through the Board.

P. Owen: I just want to know what is the associated retail?

J. O’Rourke: Crutches, braces, those type of items.

G. Lake: It all has to do with what’s happening here?

J. O’Rourke: Yes.

R. Carr: Is there the area where the dermatology is?

J. O’Rourke: Yes. Actually one of Dick’s comments was to locate the two adjoining buildings. The one we’ve done already because it’s our the existing site that you can see here. We will locate the other one.

R. Carr: The landscaping also.

G. Luenzmann: Just Dick’s comments and, of course, the landscaping.

G. Monaco: I have the same comments.

T. Hamilton: Same.

J. O’Rourke: One question. The fire company had asked for a plaque detailing the trussed roof structure. Do you know if they have a standard size or a detail of what they’re looking for?

J. McClintock: I would say make it 9 x 9 or 12 x 12 plaque. Trussed roofs don’t stand up very well under fire. We don’t go into a trussed roof building with a working fire just for safety. The plaque is just a reminder for us.

G. Lake: It’s something that we’re going to be talking about more and more. Jay is one hundred percent right. The trusses give way, not because of the wood but because of the little metal cleats that hold them together. They pop loose and they come down.

MOTION to schedule a PUBLIC HEARING for May 7, 2003 made by G. Monaco and seconded by R. Carr.

P. Owen: Aye

R. Carr: Aye

T. Hamilton: Aye

G. Monaco: Aye

G. Luenzmann: Aye

G. Lake: Aye

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

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