J. Young: Yes.

MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by A. Dulgarian and seconded by T. Hamilton.

A. Dulgarian: Aye

P. Owen: Aye

R. Carr: Aye

T. Hamilton: Aye

G. Monaco: Aye

G. Lake: Aye

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

MOTION for SITE PLAN MODIFICATION subject to Dick’s comments and additional landscaping made by A. Dulgarian and seconded by T. Hamilton.

A. Dulgarian: Aye

P. Owen: Aye

R. Carr: Aye

T. Hamilton: Aye

G. Monaco: Aye

G. Lake: Aye

MOTION CARRIED. 6 AYES

1.LONGABARDI - 24 LOT SUBDIVISION - Mapes Road (48-1-4.9) #076-002

D. Yanosh: I am the surveyor for the project. This is the Longabardi project over on Mapes Road. We were here about a year ago and received approval for the four lots along Mapes Road and left a fifty foot right-of-way to get to the back of the property. Those four lots are now built on with some nice single family homes on them. Back then we gave you a sketch of the future subdivision for this for twenty four more lots. This sketch here has been revised. My road went straight in and also straight through to the end of the property. We have since put a little slant into the road, added the cul-de-sac over to the left. The lots are bigger than they were before. The ones on the right hand side were smaller and now we have increased the size. We tried to use the stone wall as much as possible on this project to make it a nicer looking one. The smallest lot I think is a 1.4. We could probably make it a little bigger. We do have one flag lot, lot #22. It is a beautiful lot up there. It’s one of the nicest spots on the property. You have a nice view of the lake and everything. What we’re looking for tonight is a sketch plan approval from the Board.

G. Lake: Lot #22, the house driveway.

D. Yanosh: We will be able to fit it on.

G. Lake: Let me go through the Board.

A. Dulgarian: Nothing.

P. Owen: Nothing.

D. Yanosh: Mr. Longabardi lives on the property. He lives down the other side of the hill. This is the original plan that I showed you months ago that shows the whole piece of property. We did extend the road up to the end of the property. The reason the road swings over to the west is for the grade of the road.

R. Carr: What was the smallest lot?

D. Yanosh: 1.4 on lot #23.

G. Monaco: I’m just wondering why you don’t combine these two lots as one lot?

D. Yanosh: Which ones?

G. Monaco: Lots #22, #23.

D. Yanosh: I can make lot #23 a little bigger. It’s a seventy five foot flag that goes back in there. We could probably make that a little bigger and make it an acre and a half. They are nice spots.

G. Monaco: I would like to see those two lots combined.

T. Hamilton: Being consistent and keeping them all close to what you have now and why end up with a small flag lot in this whole project.

G. Lake: I think you should look at lots #22 and #23. It’s up to you.

D. Yanosh: If you would like to take a walk out there some time and look at the site and see what it looks like from the top of that hill.

A. Dulgarian: It’s not staked out?

D. Yanosh: Follow the stone wall.

D. McGoey: Dan, if you combine lots #22 and #23you could still put the house.

D. Yanosh: Ten again, we’re going to the point where we will get into some of Dick’s comments and the Highway Superintendent’s comments. We’re in the rural area here again. We’re doing two hundred foot wide lots. We’re doing bigger lots and we’re being told we need curbs out there. Again we do meet the old zoning.

T. Hamilton: Those figures are minimum.

D. Yanosh: That’s fine.

T. Hamilton: It’s nothing saying we can’t ask for bigger lots.

G. Lake: I think you know the opinion of the Board. I think that’s something you will have to talk to your client about.

T. Hamilton: I know some of us has always had problems with flag lots and in some instances you can’t get around it where it’s the only way to get into these pieces. This is not one of them in my opinion.

A. Dulgarian: I agree with that.

D. Yanosh: I talked to the Highway Superintendent. He’s had these plans for a while. He hasn’t had a chance to get out there. I did talk to him today. He wasn’t looking for sidewalks. There are trees here along the road.

G. Lake: He is asking for curbs out here?

D. Yanosh: That’s what he told me today.

D. McGoey: He talked to me.

T. Hamilton: Isn’t it to help with drainage along the side of the road?

D. McGoey: Yes.

D. Yanosh: But you go through any subdivision out here . . .

T. Hamilton: I know at my house where there are no curbs and I will show you where because of the drainage it’s all eroded between the road and on to the property because there were no curbs to direct it.

G. Lake: I have seen this go the other way. That’s something to be worked out.

P. Owen: Aren’t there curbs at Heritage Hills?

G. Lake: Yes.

P. Owen: It’s also kind of a rural area out there.

D. Yanosh: There are no curbs on COUTANT Road. There are no curbs on Lybolt Road. There are houses being built on those roads also and the drainage works fine.

G. Lake: No matter what, I don’t think the Planning Board is going to go against the Highway Superintendent. Dick’s comments?

D. Yanosh: I’ve addressed them all.

G. Lake: Let me go through the Board one more time.

A. Dulgarian: Nothing.

P. Owen: I like curbs. I don’t like sidewalks.

R. Carr: I will take the curbs.

G. Monaco: Nothing more.

T. Hamilton: Nothing.

G. Lake: I think you know the feeling of the Board. I guess your next step is to get back with your client and get back on another work session.

D. Yanosh: Sure.

Tabled for further review.

2.SAWKA - 5 LOT SUBDIVISION - Hubbard Road (6-1-24.23) #048-002

E. Johnson: I’m the surveyor for this project. The last time we were here we got moved to the Town Board to get an open area road into this project. It’s a five lot subdivision off of Hubbard Road with the biggest lot being 6.35 acres and the smallest lot being 2.62. We got approval from the Town Board for this project going off this way and what I would like to get tonight is sketch plan approval.

G. Lake: You did receive the open development?

E. Johnson: Yes.

G. Lake: By the Town Board?

E. Johnson: Right.

G. Lake: Do we have that in the file?

C. Kelly: Yes.

G. Lake: I will go through the Board.

A. Dulgarian: At this point, I have nothing.

P. Owen: Nothing right now.

R. Carr: My only question is, is there any gap between the next property where the road is?

E. Johnson: No. We took it right up to the side of the road because otherwise it would leave ourselves with a part that would never be taken care of if we left it as part of one of the other lots.

D. McGoey: Maybe it would help if you would show the house is on that lot with the setbacks.

E. Johnson: Right now it’s just a field all the way through.

G. Monaco: Nothing.

T. Hamilton: Nothing at this point.

G. Lake: Mr. Barone, do you have to review the agreements on taking care of that road and stuff that is open development like this?

G. Barone: No. It is totally up to the purchaser of the house.

G. Lake: My next question is should there be a special note put on that this is an open development and that you’re sharing this with the other people? The only thing I’m trying to do is to make sure five years or six years from now somebody doesn’t come back to the Town that lives on lot #2 saying that the road is so bad what are you going to do about it.

G. Barone: Sure. What there really should be is a requirement of a deed of conveyance for each of the four lots have a retainment and each of the lot owners has the right to use the private road in common with others and that they will share equally in the costs for the repair and maintenance and that they understand that is not a public maintained road.

E. Johnson: A basic standard maintenance agreement.

G. Lake: The only thing I want to avoid now as we go through the process which I think is important and I just want to make sure that they know they are buying into something like that.

E. Johnson: It would be the standard maintenance agreement.

G. Lake: I think that would be a good idea.

A. Dulgarian: Mr. Owen and I were just thought of an interesting one. You’re making this private road at Hubbard Road, that 24.21 where there’s nothing on it, that’s a corner lot.

E. Johnson: It will become a corner lot.

A. Dulgarian: What happens if this person wants to come out to that private road instead of Hubbard Road? Is he going to have to participate?

G. Lake: Is that considered a road, though?

G. Barone: He would have no right to access it for a number of reasons.

A. Dulgarian: Okay.

G. Lake: That might be a good question between now and the next time.

T. Hamilton: Along that same line because what it does is that lot on that corner being it’s on the corner would have two front yards so that changes his setbacks because of that.

G. Barone: Maybe it goes back to your earlier comment about moving the road to the south so it’s not quite on the property line and then gratuitously conveying it to that lot owner.

E. Johnson: Okay.

G. Lake: I don’t know if it’s not, that what I am saying. Maybe between now and the next time you can research that and let us know exactly and let the applicant know exactly. You have Dick’s comments but this is only for sketch.

E. Johnson: It is only for sketch.

G. Lake: We have a little more work to do yet. I will go through the Board one more time.

D. McGoey: I just wanted to say that one of the things I questioned was the location of the stone wall which could be a natural property line. You don’t show any of that on here so we don’t know whether it is a lot line that follows the stone wall or not.

E. Johnson: There is really only one that runs right through here. The rest of it is all pretty much wide open.

D. McGoey: Right.

G. Lake: Let me go through the Board one more time.

A. Dulgarian: Nothing else.

P. Owen: Nothing.

R. Carr: Nothing.

G. Monaco: Nothing.

T. Hamilton: Nothing.

Tabled for further review.

3.MIDDLETOWN HONDA - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Route 211 East/84 Lane (41-1-48) #061-002

L. Powell: I’m from Eustance & Horowitz and with me is Stu Berkley who is the General Salesman.

G. Lake: Tell us what’s happening and what you want to do.

L. Powell: This is the former bowling alley at the corner of Route 211 and Route 17 of which I’m sure everyone knows with what’s known as 84 Lane that comes in and goes to 84 Lumber and then down into Lowe’s. It goes in front of it. It’s 3.071 acres and in the MI zone and they are proposing a new auto dealership there. They will renovate the building and there will be an addition to the building.

G. Lake: You didn’t bring the picture?

S. Berkley: The rendering, you mean?

G. Lake: Yes.

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