R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
6. RONSTEIN CONSTRUCTION - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Route
17K (1-1-45.1) #020-002
T.
Ptak: With me this evening is Ronald Steinberg. We're here to
request Site Plan and Special Use Permit for a piece of property
about 2.7 acres that's located on Route 17K. There are two buildings
basically just under twelve thousand square feet. They are about
fifty nine hundred square feet each. It's located in a PID zone.
The uses that we're requesting are up on the upper left hand corner
but I will go over the general uses. Retail stores, service shops,
office, furniture and major appliances, carpet stores, eating
and drinking establishments, etc.
A.
Dulgarian: So, this is going to be spec built?
R.
Steinberg: Correct.
T.
Ptak: You have before you, Mr. Steinberg gave you the plans for
what the buildings will each look like.
G.
Lake: We are passing them out.
T.
Ptak: We have submitted to the Department of Transportation. We
had a site visit with them and as the result we're going to swap
the entrance from the left side to the right side. It will just
be a mirror swap but that's been re-submitted to the Department
of Transportation as a result of their site visit and comments.
It's also been submitted to the Bloomingburg Fire Department.
I haven't received anything back from them. We owe Dick a couple
of details.
G. Lake: Basically, you are looking for a Public Hearing tonight?
T.
Ptak: Yes, that's correct.
A.
Dulgarian: What is this in relation to Pastermerlo's?
T.
Ptak: It's going toward Bullville. It's on top of the hill.
A.
Dulgarian: Same side?
T.
Ptak: Same side of the road.
R.
Steinberg: There is an abandoned trailer on it.
R.
Carr: No comments.
G.
Luenzmann: No comments.
G.
Monaco: The only concern I have is the dip in the road. You have
a site plan here that shows a site distance of five hundred, six
hundred feet and obviously you can't see a car until it comes
up over that hill.
T.
Ptak: Moving the entrance will help increase the site distance.
Department of Transportation is reviewing it. Obviously we will
have to abide by what ever they say.
G.
Lake: Department of Transportation will also check that out?
T.
Ptak: We met out there with a representative and as a result of
that we've flopped it and moved it to the other side. They have
to send it up to Poughkeepsie to get region review.
MOTION
to schedule a PUBLIC HEARING for August 7, 2002 made by G. Luenzmann
and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G. Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
7. RELIABLE PLUMBING & HEATING - SITE PLAN - North Street
(38-4-5) #036-002
D.
Yanosh: I am the surveyor for the project. This is John Hillman
from Reliable Plumbing & Heating. This is a twelve thousand
square feet lot in a Highway Commercial zone on North Street out
on Route 17M adjacent to the Washington Heights Firehouse. This
site was previously approved as a Site Plan for Dutchess Overhead
Doors in November of 1998. I guess they moved in for a little
while and then moved out. Reliable wants to move their plumbing
supply business here. They do plumbing and heating.
G.
Lake: Do you see Dick's comments as far as the landscaping?
D.
Yanosh: The only thing we can do on the other side of the building
is put some potted plants along that area. It's all blacktopped
from the building out to the property line.
G.
Lake: Were you looking right on the property line for along the
building on that side?
D.
McGoey: I thought there was a grass area through there.
D.
Yanosh: If you go out there now this hatched area is painted.
G.
Lake: That's all blacktop?
D.
Yanosh: Yes.
G.
Lake: Personally it's a nice looking building and I don't think
putting plants in the driveway would make sense. There's really
no room there.
D.
McGoey: I thought there was a grass area in that location.
A. Dulgarian: The only question I had is there going to be any
outside storage of pallets, etc. Sometimes we run into problems.
What do you have?
J.
Hillman: What we do have sometimes is a water heater that we take
out of someone's house until we can get it to the landfill or
the scrap yard. Nothing ever accumulates. In Middletown where
we've been, we have a clean operation.
A.
Dulgarian: I know that.
J.
Hillman: We don't let it sit around.
A.
Dulgarian: We tend to look if people have shipping materials or
other items, we normally would like to see it fenced in.
J.
Hillman: It will be fenced in.
A.
Dulgarian: I mean the specific area. It's a good looking building.
I know you run a good business.
R.
Carr: No problems.
G.
Luenzmann: I'm glad. It's a nice looking building which I'm familiar
with. It's finally going to get used.
G.
Monaco: No problems.
G.
Lake: I echo the same.
MOTION
for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by G. Luenzmann and seconded by
G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G. Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
MOTION
for SITE PLAN approval made by A. Dulgarian and seconded by R.
Carr.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
8. ASHLEY ESTATES II - 28 LOT SUBDIVISION - Howells Turnpike (6-1-13.21)
#040-002
C.
Fotty: We are proposing a twenty eight lot subdivision on a seventy
acre plus or minus parcel of land. We've gone through a number
of work sessions with Mr. McGoey. We have delineated the wetlands.
This piece of property I think by the soils formula could sustain
thirty seven lots. We are now at twenty eight. I just received
comments from Mr. McGoey and we will answer them in our next submission.
G.
Lake: Dick, I know since the last map, what changes have we done?
I know we lost the two lots.
D. McGoey: The first submission they had showed them coming out
on Howells Turnpike with the driveways. They've eliminated all
that. They've identified the wetlands which reduces their lots
to a certain extent. I still have a question on a couple of the
lots. I'm not sure they are build-able they way they are shown.
There are some slope concerns I have on some of the lots because
of the roads, there are some pretty serious cuts and fills and
they may not be able to develop the driveways because of the cuts
on the fronts of the lots at a ten percent grade. I've asked them
to identify the profiles on those and maybe eliminate a few lots
with respect to the wetlands and slopes.
G.
Lake: The road going in do we have that at thirty feet?
D.
McGoey: Yes from curbs and sidewalks.
G.
Lake: That's what we've been doing.
D.
McGoey: Right.
R.
Steinberg: I don't think we have sidewalks on.
D.
McGoey: That's up to the Board.
R.
Steinberg: We just proposed the curbs.
G.
Lake: The ingress and egress is the one you are looking at tonight.
D.
McGoey: Right.
G.
Lake: These changes haven't been made at this point.
D.
McGoey: No.
G.
Lake: Are you going to need another work session?
D.
McGoey: Absolutely. I think the Board should have an opportunity
to go out and take a look at this in the field. We did require
that they increase the lot width on these to as close to two hundred
feet as possible to try to be in line with what the Board has
been looking for rather than the narrow lots.
G.
Luenzmann: We were just looking at the topography. It looks like
it's very up and down.
D.
McGoey: Yes. It is.
G.
Luenzmann: That's pretty much what you are concerned about, the
build ability of the driveways, the roads, etc.
D. McGoey: Correct. We don't want those slope problems. We're
having problems with Silo Estates now with their steep driveways,
the steep slopes and drainage problems. I don't think we want
to go through that again.
C.
Fotty: There is and has been at Mr. McGoey's request is (not audible)
and basically we made sure those slopes within those envelopes
were less than. I will develop a plan showing the driveways and
cuts. There is an envelope on each lot with five thousand square
feet of build-able area as requested by Mr. McGoey. We will show
driveways, grading plans, etc.
D.
McGoey: That's part of the requirement for the subdivision regulations.
G.
Luenzmann: Dick, you had suggested that we look at it from a clustered
type of view?
D.
McGoey: I think that's something that is something the Board should
consider.
G.
Luenzmann: In other words, put it all in an area that's more or
less flat.
D.
McGoey: And develop larger green spaces. It might avoid those
steeper grades.
G.
Lake: Have you discussed the clustering concept before in your
work sessions?
D.
McGoey: No.
C.
Fotty: What would be the critique for size of clustered lots?
D.
McGoey: Clustered lots gives you and the Board a lot of flexibility
with respect to the size of the lots, setbacks, the distances
between dwelling units. What you would do is you would take and
look at the conventional subdivision and let's assume that you're
allowed twenty nine lots on the basis of the soils and on the
basis of topography and wetlands. You can take those twenty nine
houses and cluster them in groups on a smaller lot and leave larger
green spaces.
C.
Fotty: Yes.
D.
McGoey: You can reduce the linear footage of road.
C.
Fotty: How would this clustering affect the environmental factor
on your sanitary system?
D. McGoey: It doesn't. You obviously would have to have individual
sewer disposal fields for each of the lots.
C.
Fotty: That's correct but under your environmental control formula
this factor sets aside the size of the lot.
D.
McGoey: I guess we would have to talk to the Attorney and see
if that can be waived.
G.
Lake: Wouldn't that have to go to the Town Board also?
D.
McGoey: Clustering goes to the Town Board.
A.
Dulgarian: There are a lot of benefits with the roads and stuff
like that.
G.
Luenzmann: What I'm looking at is the elevations up and down.
You're two hundred feet lower in some places and you're only one
hundred feet away.
C.
Fotty: I don't think so.
G.
Luenzmann: According to this.
C.
Fotty: That's a two foot contour. If you take a look at the road
profile you will notice the grades are less then ten percent and
the profiles will be worked with. The vertical scale on the profile
is greatly exaggerated to five times the horizontal.
G.
Luenzmann: I'm inclined to agree with Dick that you should look
at this under the cluster concept because of the elevations.
R.
Carr: I think you should take a look at the clustering concept
also.
G.
Lake: You did a lot more for sketch than you had to. You need
another work session any way. Let's, are you willing to look at
the clustering?
C.
Fotty: Definitely.
Tabled.
9. WALLKILL FIVE ASSOCIATES - SITE PLAN REVISION - Ballard Road/Wes
Warren Drive (41-1-70.121) #041-002
C.
Fotty: I am with Silvers Consulting. We have an existing warehouse
at the intersection of West Warren Drive and Ballard Road. It's
the, what we call the Reynolds Aluminum building and what the
client would like to do is propose to put in a parking lot in
front of the building and in the future perhaps install a proposed
office of two thousand square feet within the building. We have
met with Mr. McGoey and have come up with a design of a parking
lot.
G.
Lake: Basically you're just adding this little office and the
parking lot.
C.
Fotty: That's correct.
G.
Lake: Otherwise no additional changes on the outside of the building?
C.
Fotty: No.
G.
Lake: Do you have Dick's comments?
C.
Fotty: Yes I do.
G.
Lake: Do you have any problems with any of those comments?
C.
Fotty: No. I just handed him a new copy with most of the changes
already made.
A.
Dulgarian: I think most of the stuff is in Dick's realm. I don't
really have a problem with it.
R.
Carr: You have the loading doors right in the middle of the driveway?
C.
Fotty: They are existing.
R.
Carr: Right. I'm just concerned that if there were two trailers
there right now, the cap of the trailer would actually be on the
road. I just can't imagine tractor trailers going in and out of
that access.
C.
Fotty: I see your point.
R. Carr: I have a little problem with having the access road at
that location.
C.
Fotty: I can open up each end of the parking lot.
R.
Carr: You would lose parking spaces.
C.
Fotty: You would lose parking spaces which could be added to the
other side.
R.
Carr: What is all the parking for?
C.
Fotty: He's proposing at some time or another of perhaps putting
some offices within this warehouse.
R.
Carr: Just on the calculations it seems high.
C.
Fotty: One space for the first fifteen hundred square feet and
then one space for five thousand square feet. This is forty thousand
square feet.
R.
Carr: Right.
D.
McGoey: The spaces for the office.
R.
Carr: For the office and then what's the next line?
D.
McGoey: The warehouse is calculated at one for the first fifteen
hundred square feet and every five thousand square feet after
that is one space.
G.
Lake: You are willing to cut in a couple more drive entrances?
C.
Fotty: Yes.
G.
Luenzmann: I don't have any questions. Did we learn what the warehouse
is used for right now?
G.
Lake: It's Reynolds Aluminum right now. When they were here the
last time, Reynolds Aluminum was still there. They don't need
this much space any more. He is just getting it ready to try and
rent out. That's all. Am I correct?
C. Fotty: That's right.
G.
Monaco: I have problems with the parking. I'm sure Dick can work
this out.
G.
Lake: We will make this subject to, so you won't have to come
back. See Mr. McGoey about the driveway cuts.
MOTION
for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION subject to D. McGoey's comments made
by G. Luenzmann and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
MOTION
for SITE PLAN REVISION subject to D. McGoey's comments made by
G. Luenzmann and seconded by G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
10. PROPOSED ZONING CODE REVISIONS - INFORMATIONAL PUBLIC HEARING
G.
Lake: We have to schedule an Informational Public Hearing on the
zoning code revisions.
G.
Barone: Gary, John Ward asked me to let you know that it is the
Town Board's preference that you schedule this as soon as possible
hopefully in June so they can ask on it at the latter part of
June or early July.
G.
Lake: Our June agenda's are full and up to the max. I was going
to say that I would like to see us send this so our new Planner
can look at it and then I thought the County should also look
at it for their review and input for a broader scope.
MOTION
to schedule an INFORMATIONAL PUBLIC HEARING for July 3, 2002 made
by G. Luenzmann and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Luenzmann: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
5
AYES. Motion carried.
