T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
MOTION
for a LOT LINE CHANGE made by P. Owen and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A. Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
1. GOLF RIDGE ESTATES - 15 LOT SUBDIVISION - Sands Road (14-2-13)
#058-002
R.
Ferris: I am representing the applicant. This parcel is roughly
sixty five acres in size on Sands Road. We?re requesting a fifteen
lot subdivision. The lots average over two acres a piece. The
average size is over four acres. Houses are mostly set back on
the property because that?s where the best soils are. There is
a nice ridge and it levels out in the back. That?s why we want
to push the houses back away from the road. It should leave the
road frontage pretty nicely wooded and pristine and stuff.
G.
Lake: I will go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Nothing.
P.
Owen: Nothing.
R.
Carr: No.
G.
Monaco: On lot #1 is there any plan to further break that down
or is it because of poor soils?
R.
Ferris: A combination of poor soils and the wetlands kind of blocking
it in. That?s the only lot that they could give over the wetlands
and use the back property.
G. Monaco: Okay.
T.
Hamilton: Nothing.
G.
Lake: Have you been to a work session with Dick on this?
R.
Ferris: Yes.
G.
Lake: Dick, do we have a ways to go yet?
D.
McGoey: Yes. I have to get some information from Dan Patenaude.
Have you met with
Dan at all?
R.
Ferris: No, not yet.
D.
McGoey: That could be a major consideration. I think you should
get to him straight away before you come to the next work session.
R.
Ferris: Okay.
D.
McGoey: The wetlands delineation?
R.
Ferris: That has been submitted.
D.
McGoey: Has it been certified?
R.
Ferris: Yes.
D.
McGoey: The site distances for the prevailing speed should be
taken care of also. That could affect the lots and driveways.
R.
Ferris: Okay. We will double check. They are on there.
G.
Lake: Dick, are you going to need another work session?
D.
McGoey: Yes.
R. Ferris: Could we schedule a Public Hearing so that if there
are any public concerns I can catch them also?
G.
Lake: Before the work session?
R.
Ferris: Yes.
D.
McGoey: Can you get him into a work shop between now and the Public
Hearing?
MOTION
to schedule a PUBLIC HEARING for November 20, 2002 made by G.
Monaco and seconded by P. Owen.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
2. GOLDEN TRIANGLE - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Silver Lake
Scotchtown Road (40-1-16, 35, 41-1-45, 50-1-62) #074-002
T. Miller: I?m a planner with Tim Miller & Associates representing
Golden Triangle Development. This application involves a 92.8
acre piece of property. It?s in a PID zone located on Silver Lake
Scotchtown Road immediately west of Route 17. The applicant is
proposing a mixed use clustered development as per a prior Resolution
of the Town Board. The use and action before you is a two lot
subdivision application would result in an approximate seventy
four acre parcel and a nineteen acre parcel. The applicant is
also requesting a Special Use Permit and Site Plan approval for
a ninety unit townhouse residential development on the smaller
lot. The larger lot we would be seeking a Special Use Permit for
a concept plan that involves a new Town road and three hundred
fifty to five hundred thousand square feet of commercial development.
The purpose of being here tonight, we?ve submitted an application,
we?ve submitted a long form Environmental Assessment Form along
with application fees and plans and we?re asking that the Board
accept our application for the purposes of declaring intention
to be Lead Agency pursuant to SEQRA. We anticipate preparing the
generic Environmental Impact Statement on the larger concept.
G.
Lake: Le me go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: No.
P.
Owen: Nothing right now.
R.
Carr: You?re looking for a lot line change first?
T.
Miller: There are four tax parcels out there right now and by
the end we would like to have two lots. The nineteen acre lot
would be Phase I.
R.
Carr: If you were to proceed with Phase I, you have two entrances.
This one over here would be based on the road, what would happen
with Phase II?
T.
Miller: Our primary access is the lower access. We would build
a secondary access probably half that road until such time as
Phase II were initiated in which case the road would be expanded
to it?s full size up to that point.
G.
Monaco: Nothing.
T.
Hamilton: Dick, has the Town done anything about changing the
apartment heights in the zone?
D.
McGoey: Yes. There is a recommendation for them to consider that.
T.
Hamilton: Is that in the new zone changes?
D.
McGoey: If they left it in, I believe it is.
G.
Lake: Right now since this applicant is here we would look at
what we have.
D. McGoey: They have approval from the previous Town Board to
have low rise houses.
T.
Hamilton: Do we have that?
D.
McGoey: It can be made part of the file.
F.
Wells: There was a cluster authorization granted back in 1989
which had a number of stipulations to it with regard to off-site
traffic improvements and so forth. There was a dead line set in
that. In 1991 an additional Resolution was passed by the Town
Board modifying the (not clear). That authorization is still applicable
today.
G.
Lake: You will supply that to us?
F.
Wells: Yes.
G.
Lake: How high are those buildings, two-stories?
F.
Wells: Generally two, possibly three stories.
A.
Dulgarian: I was under the impression where Route 17 hits the
I-86 designation road the ramps would be closed. Here we will
have two new ramps?
F.
Wells: I can?t explain this in detail but my understanding is
there would be closure of one of the ramps that comes on to Route
211and will be replaced by the new ramps.
T.
Hamilton: I think it was considered it a modification. They weren?t
adding a new one.
F.
Wells: That?s correct.
D.
McGoey: The ramp that presently comes off on to Route 211 now
would be closed. Anyone coming east on Route 17 would get off
the new ramp.
F.
Wells: That was a subject of a study that was done and that was
the recommendation.
A.
Dulgarian: The Department of Transportation just happened to go
through the middle of your property.
T.
Hamilton: This has been going on for about fifteen years.
T. Miller: I think the Department of Transportation actually just
had a Public Hearing about two months ago where they presented
these. It has been in the planning process for quite some time.
T.
Hamilton: It was called a modification. They?re not making a new
one.
A.
Dulgarian: So, they?re going to close one of those and then open
this?
T.
Hamilton: Yes.
A.
Dulgarian: I?m wondering where it is going to come out then because
it?s almost where the exit is now?
F.
Wells: It is similar to where it is now. The Department of Transportation
wants to improve that area of Route 211.
G.
Lake: Dick do you have anything?
D.
McGoey: Do you have problems with any of my comments?
T.
Miller: No.
NOTICE
OF INTENT for the Planning Board to become LEAD AGENCY made by
T. Hamilton and seconded by G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
3. HIGH BARNEY WOODS - 6 LOT SUBDIVISION - High Barney Road (65-1-11.22)
#039-001
J.
Terilli: We had a couple of meetings with you and work shops.
Eliminating the flag lots and re-aligning of the roads, we have
six lots on twenty five acres. There is an extension of High Barney
Road which you can see the existing paved area shaded, that?s
where it ends. We will be extending it into a cul-de-sac. Each
lot will have frontage both the existing and proposed extension.
The average lot size is somewhere in the neighborhood of four
and a half acres. We did provide a right-of-way to the landlocked
parcel. There?s also an easement for the New York State Power
Authority which is an easement of record off the end of High Barney
Road which is indicated as well. The state regulated wetlands
off in lot #5 has been delineated by our people and certified.
We will provide you with a copy of that signature.
G.
Lake: Let me go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: The detention area?
G.
Lake: Usually what?s been happening is that a drainage district
has been created and then they pay.
D.
McGoey: All the lots will become part of the drainage district.
A.
Dulgarian: Is this being made part of the deeds?
D.
McGoey: The drainage district isn?t on the deed.
G.
Barone: Our preference is in this part of the drainage district
a note should be reflected letting people know when they buy the
property just have records in their title report subject to notes
on filed map and they?re not made aware that a drainage district
has been in place for that. The six homeowners will become part
of the drainage district.
A.
Dulgarian: Is that going to be on their tax bills?
G.
Barone: Yes.
G.
Lake: We have several throughout the Town right now.
A.
Dulgarian: I know there?s always been a problem.
G. Lake: As of late, we get paid for it. If they don?t do it,
we do it and get paid.
A.
Dulgarian: Other than that, this is a much improved site plan.
P.
Owen: Nothing.
R.
Carr: This is for a future road to add to this property?
J.
Terilli: The Board has asked that we provide access to this lot.
It?s not access in the sense that they could convert it into a
public road. It will be an access if they want to drive a vehicle
over it. Currently they don?t have that.
R.
Carr: I wasn?t sure.
J.
Terilli: It will not be a public road.
G.
Lake: For the newer members when this first came in a year or
so ago it looked like a spider. Through work sessions and stuff
this is much improved.
R.
Carr: This area here that?s for the drainage easement, this isn?t
some of the drainage district that you talked about before?
J.
Terilli: The hatched easement is the extent of the drainage easement
which the district will give rights to the Town to operate it.
R.
Carr: The only other thing that I noticed on lot #5 the well appears
to be below the septic.
J.
Terilli: In elevation yes depending on the authority of reviewing
there?s a different interpretation. It reads if it?s in the general
drainage tap and the Orange County Health Department feels that
it is good underground. Some reviewing authorities say that?s
surface drainage. Eustance & Horowitz will review these.
G.
Monaco: I would like a little bit more about this drainage district.
Is that going to be a stable rate? I feel there is a liability.
G.
Lake: The Superintendent of Highways puts the dollar amount on
it and what it?s going to cost to maintain that with six people
that own the property and that will always show up on their tax
bill. I believe that?s how it?s done.
J. Terilli: That?s correct.
G.
Lake: I believe there is one on Karen Drive and Sharon Drive.
J.
Terilli: If repairs and improvements need to be made in a given
year, the Highway Superintendent can increase the budget. The
Town Board would approve it.
T.
Hamilton: Nothing. Do we have to notify Wawayanda and the City
of Middletown?
D.
McGoey: Yes.
C.
Kelly: We notified them three times.
G.
Lake: You have twelve comments you can either take care of between
now and the Public Hearing.
J.
Terilli: Yes.
D.
McGoey: Two things you might want to talk about tonight. The width
of the road, they show an alternate road standard of twenty four
feet. We?ve been requiring a thirty foot road with curbs. The
