other
is whether you want street lights. We?ve been requiring a street
light at the beginning of the road and a street light at the cul-de-sac.
G.
Lake: As far as the street lights go, I agree. We?ve been asking
for them. I will poll the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Yes
P.
Owen: Yes
R.
Carr. Yes
G.
Monaco: Yes
T.
Hamilton: Yes
G.
Lake: I kind of agree with that also.
J. Terilli: In both places?
G.
Lake: Yes.
J.
Terilli: On the road width issue?
G.
Lake: Mr. McGoey is right in that we have been putting it up to
thirty feet but I think this is one of the cases where, personally
I think following the road that?s there at twenty four would be
sufficient. That?s only my opinion though.
D.
McGoey: Take High Barney it is undersized. It?s a very narrow
road.
G.
Lake: That?s why. This is one of those situations.
A.
Dulgarian: I will agree to that.
P.
Owen: I agree.
A.
Dulgarian: They put a road in with a cul-de-sac and then they
don?t build for a year and all the kids go back there.
R.
Carr: I?m fine with the road twenty four feet.
G.
Monaco: Yes.
T.
Hamilton: Yes.
J.
Terilli: All the houses are back almost three hundred feet from
the cul-de-sac so the light in the circle won?t be in their living
room windows. These are not fifty feet off the road.
G.
Lake: Can you be ready November 20th if we set a Public Hearing?
J.
Terilli: Absolutely.
G.
Lake: Dick, do you need to get together with him one more time?
D.
McGoey: Yes.
MOTION to schedule a PUBLIC HEARING for December 4, 2002 made
by R. Carr and seconded by A. Dulgarian.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
1. APPLIANCE CITY - SITE PLAN REVISION - Route 211 East (41-1-68.1)
#073-002
G.
Lake: Can you tell us what you want to do here?
M. McGovern: We?re here tonight to go over facade improvements
for Appliance City which is located at 680 Route 211 East in Middletown,
New York. The existing strip mall is a combination of multiple
past additions which consist of pre-engineered buildings. The
current configuration averages 12,600 square feet of retail space
and 13,250 square feet of warehouse space. The fire hazard classification
of construction type will all remain the same as we go through
this improvement. We?re not changing any of that. Any building
on the site is accessible on all four sides. It?s located in an
M-l Manufacturing Industrial zone. The square footage of the building
is 25, 850 square feet. We are not increasing that as a result
of this application. We?re not putting on any building additions.
We?re not increasing the building square footage. The work conforms
within the existing footprint of the building. The new facade
will basically be a synthetic stucco over the existing canopy
structure. The existing sheeting for the canopy structure will
be removed. The overall intent of the project is just to improve
the aesthetics of the existing facility as well as the overall
character of the adjoining properties and businesses in the community.
We have incorporated a lot of the work shop criteria and your
Engineer?s comments in a letter dated September 26, 2002. They
included the installation of a fire lane at the front of the new
building to a thirty foot fire lane. As a result of doing that
we had to re-design the existing parking field because we lost
a lot of space. By re-designing the parking field we included
for better pedestrian circulation, increased the handicap accessibility
with four new ADA stalls and on better vehicle circulation around
the perimeter. We?ve also at the request of Town Engineer consolidated
some exterior storage trailers and refuse containers into a chain
link enclosure at the rear south east corner of the property.
To see benefits from this would be to improve the fire fighting
emergency vehicle access at the rear and side of the building
and to improve the security on the overall aesthetics on the site.
We will be showing some new landscaping along the north side of
the property parallel to Route 211. That will consist of some
evergreen ground cover, low shrubs and some deciduous trees. We
have not included the site lighting as it is on the building under
the canopy and in the parking lot.
G.
Lake: Is the whole building going to be used by Appliance City?
M.
McGovern: No. Mr. Colletti is the building owner. He is the main
tenant for the space. He is in mercantile use for Appliance City.
There are other tenants.
G.
Lake: Right, which are going to stay.
M.
McGovern: Right.
G.
Lake: Let me go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: I think it is a great improvement for the aesthetics
of Route 211. My questions are regarding this storage trailer
and the relocation of the dumpsters. Now, you show one three yard
and forty yard dumpster. They?re going to be a few hundred few
away from the building, correct? Your tenants and the main user
are going to have to go that far back to dump?
M. McGovern: Yes. The idea is that we will not be accessing that
trailer on a daily basis.
A.
Dulgarian: I?m not talking about the trailer. I?m talking about
the dumpsters right now.
B. Colletti: The two dumpsters that you have there, one is a cardboard
dumpster. What you have is a large dumpster which is strictly
for cardboard. My people are going to have to walk to the dumpster.
It is especially for my employees, so that?s not a problem. I
am trying to clean up the area.
G.
Lake: If you?ve seen the back side, there is a lot of cardboard
awful close to the building.
A.
Dulgarian: That?s something we really haven?t seen much of.
G.
Lake: Right. In this case they do go through a lot of crating
and sometimes you go down there and you will see mounds of it.
B.
Colletti: We had a fire in the back of the building about six
years ago and that was due to the cardboard.
G.
Lake: Right.
A.
Dulgarian: What is the purpose of the storage trailer?
B.
Colletti: The storage trailer is used for the removal of consumer
goods. We changed that. When the trucks come in they go to Weinert.
A.
Dulgarian: So you don?t need the trailer?
B.
Colletti: The only thing we may use it for is stop over for refrigeration.
The reason for that is that you have to re-capture the Freon.
They have to have a tag on them before they can be given to Weinert?s.
A.
Dulgarian: I understand that. This trailer has always existed
there?
D.
McGoey: I don?t think it was ever approved.
A.
Dulgarian: Is it this Board that approves trailers?
D.
McGoey: Yes. Trailers are allowed by Special Use approval under
239-27.
B.
Colletti: That trailer has been there for about twelve years.
D.
McGoey: I don?t ever remember the Planning Board approving it
however.
A. Dulgarian: Under normal circumstances in the past this Board
and my feelings any way is that if somebody needed a storage trailer
it was because they needed more warehouse space but in this situation
I do understand that it?s more of a used type thing.
B.
Colletti: You can?t bring the old appliances into the store.
A.
Dulgarian: I understand.
G.
Lake: This will clean up the back.
A.
Dulgarian: Historically we?ve had a problem on sites with storage
trailers but I understand the difficulty here.
P.
Owen: I have no problem.
R.
Carr: I think it?s a great improvement here. I do question the
parking. People have to walk a ways and there is no sidewalk.
I question sidewalks as a mitigation factor. I never see that
parking lot full.
M.
McGovern: I think that?s an important point to make because of
the nature of his business he?s not generating a lot of parking.
R.
Carr: That?s the only issue.
M.
McGovern: The new parking is actually less than five hundred linear
feet from the entrance so it kind of falls within the parking
regulations.
R.
Carr: I just questioned that people are actually parking back
there and have to walk up that driveway between the building.
Is there a problem with the existing drainage because the manhole
in front of Alto Music smells?
M.
McGovern: I can?t comment on it because I don?t know.
R.
Carr: I think it would be a good idea for you to check it out.
G.
Monaco: It is removing an eyesore and fire hazard.
G.
Lake: Again, I think it is going to be a great improvement.
MOTION for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by T. Hamilton and seconded
by G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
MOTION
for SITE PLAN REVISION subject to all comments made by T. Hamilton
and seconded by P. Owen.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
T.
Hamilton: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 6 AYES
2.
SILVER LAKE/SCOTCHTOWN APARTMENTS - SITE PLAN REVISION - Silver
Lake Scotchtown Road (50-1-13) #072-002
A. Fusco: I have some new maps. We had made some changes. What
I did do is when we got Dick?s comments we addressed each and
everyone of them and that?s the letter that I gave you. It?s an
indication of an answer to all of those comments. We are concurring
with all his comments and we would like to proceed.
G.
Lake: Tell the Board exactly what you?re doing.
A.
Fusco: Exactly what we?re doing here and this is the existing
Silver Lake Scotchtown Apartments. It?s been there forever. They
want to upgrade it and improve it to make it look better. Basically
it started out as a re-paving job. They just wanted to re-pave
the entire area and put an inch of asphalt over the top of it.
The owners decided that they wanted to put some additional money
into it, some additional landscaping. They wanted to replace some
of the sidewalks. They had eliminated the pool previously and
they wanted to take that and make that a dumpster area and also
to put some additional parking on. The parking is under the units
that would be required with the pavement today and they?ve adding
some fifty to sixty parking spaces. One of things that we?re trying
to do is add some additional parking and at the same time put
in some new curbs, sidewalks, a small retaining wall and add some
parking spaces to it as well as put in some screens around the
dumpsters and do some fairly expensive landscaping. None of this
is required but they wanted to upgrade the appearance of the apartments
and try to create some additional greenery. One of the things
that they had wanted to do was to due this early on during the
summer season when the paving is ideal. We were, however, required
to come to a work session and Dick advised me to come here as
well just to explain the situation to you. Again, it?s basically
all cosmetic. We have no additional units. They are adding parking,
replacing curbing. They are replacing the sidewalks and the landscaping.
If at all possible we would like to entertain an approval subject
to Dick?s reviewing our changes and other subsequent changes so
that possibly they could get this done as soon as possible.
G.
Lake: Dick?s comments? Do you have any problems with any of them?
A.
Fusco: No. We have no problem with any of his comments.
G.
Lake: Dick, I know you have had a work session.
D.
McGoey: The problem is the fire department.
G.
Lake: Right. I?m going to come to that.
D.
McGoey: Okay. There are some significant issues there.
G. Lake: I?m going to come to that in a second. I think the tough
part is that we do have an older project tonight and that?s why
I saved that to see what we could come up with.
A.
Dulgarian: It?s nice that they are going to fix it up but I don?t
know about doing anything with it yet or even doing it subject
to Dick looking it over.
G.
Lake: I just stated about the comments.
A.
Dulgarian: I thought you were asking . . .
G.
Lake: We have a letter from the fire department that we?re going
to go over in a minute and what I said is that since this is an
older project that they?re trying to update and improve and there
are some things here that the fire department has issues with
and I was hoping we could work that out.
A.
Dulgarian: But the applicant had requested that we approve this.
G.
Lake: We?re going to talk about this tonight.
A.
Dulgarian: My opinion on that is that we should be able to know
everything is going to be done here and then take Dick?s input
and make our decision. I don?t know we should move forward with
it at this time.
G.
Lake: If you want to go through each comment, we can do that.
A.
Dulgarian: I?m not talking about each specific comment, I?m talking
about the whole picture.
A.
Fusco: Basically what we?re doing is we?re . . .
A.
Dulgarian: Can you tell me what?s existing and what is proposed?
A.
Fusco: What we?re doing here is we?re replacing this with a concrete
sidewalk. We are putting in some new parking areas and basically
one of the things that we came up with is we?re putting in areas.
We?re putting a couple of spaces here including a couple of spaces
over here. In addition to that what we?ve done is replacing the
dumpster location and putting them here. Apparently there is one
in the grass area here. We?re putting the dumpsters here and screening
the entire area.
A. Dulgarian: This shaded area will be the enclosure?
A.
Fusco: Exactly.
A.
Dulgarian: Is there any recreation on the site right now?
A.
Fusco: There is no additional recreational.
A.
Dulgarian: There are no improvements to the actual buildings or
size?
A.
Fusco: No.
A.
Fusco: This is strictly outside, landscaping, paving, curbing,
etc.
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