ORANGE COUNTY GOLF CLUB: Request for a variance of 249-32 (expansion of non-conforming use): clubhouse expansion from 14,642 sq/ft to 17,320 sq/ft; cart garage northeast of club house to 1,056 sq/ft; Property located at 121 Golf Links Road (SEC 73 BL 1 LOT 26.2); Designated R-1.

Mrs. Thompson: The mailings were reviewed by the Board and filed by the Secretary. The Public Hearing Notice was read at 9:12 pm.

Mr. Smith: I Move to open the Public Hearing at 9:13 pm; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Wheldon Abt, Architect: Representing the golf club and this if Phil Mineo, member of the Board of Orange County Golf Club. This is a request to expand non-conforming use. The club is on a 78 acre parcel zoned R-1. Been here for over 100 years. (showed drawing) the RED is the existing clubhouse building which is 7500 sq/ft floor and variance to expand approximately 2600 sq/ft about half of it is under existing roof in the front. In order to get more space for the locker rooms on lower level. This is a one story addition with portion for stair going up stairs and also golf cart garage proposed behind building to remove golf carts from building to expand locker rooms. The club is not planning on doing more business but trying to get more comfort in locker rooms for existing membership.

The building is proposed to look like this (showed them). Stone you see on ground level is addition this is existing roof line of the building and first floor is expansion of locker rooms out and pro shop relocated out into this area. With terrace on top of part of it.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mrs. Thompson: It looks nice.

Mr. Smith: You will do a masonry front? This is enclosing the underneath existing porch?

W. Abt: Yes. No, it goes out a little further. You can see on here (drawings) the column lines and existing roof is here (drawing) and addition come out 15 feet beyond that. Its beyond the required set backs and its also over 500 feet in one side yard and 1000 on the other.

Mr. Smith: It has been there for over 100 years – that building has not been.

W. Abt: The building was 1978.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mr. Oster: I know the main purpose here is for non-conforming use but I asked when I was out there and the Manager was not quite sure, you have 50 overflow spots I can't find them on your map, could not find them on your golf course.

W. Abt: The overflow parking is located at this end (drawing).

Mr. Oster: Those were not marked as such on your map nor did your Manager know that was overflow parking as such.

W. Abt: There is also area here (drawing) used for overflow parking) and the underpass under Golf Links Road – t hey also use the paved area near the maintenance buildings and bring people by golf carts to the clubhouse.

Mr. Oster: You are enlargening the building, are you pouring any more asphalt or not? To create more real parking spots?

W. Abt: The club does not feel it is necessary and would not like to do that, however, if the planning board requires that we have to still obtain a site plan approval from them. They have not asked for parking variance requirement. The PB approved for this property overflow parking on the grass previously and there is some additional space in the building but the parking requirement for it does not go up very much. So since that last time came in for approval the under pass under the roadway with substantial parking space they do use for golfing events. Usually when there is a large crowd of golfing events the ground is dry and its not a problem to park on the grass. We are not asking for parking variance.

Mr. Oster: For the future – your map shows wanted to show me some but not all.

Mr. Mineo: In actuality the largest event of the year is the last week of July with is the member-guest and that would be the worst condition you would ever see, typically we have the space back here (drawing) and we don’t even use this (drawing), we come down here where you see these 6 blocks down here and squeeze probably another 10 cars or so here. The 13th tee is over here and reason we don’t park here is proximity to 17th tee and that is pretty much it. We are not expanding the size of the dining facility in any way only trying to get more room out of the locker room for the existing membership; not increasing membership in any way. Just going from small 12 inch lockers to real golf club lockers which are 16 inch lockers and reason for doing this.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Public? (no)

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mr. Smith: At one time talked about putting the pro shop across the street.

W Abt: Discussion on other locations.

Mr. Smith: Better location with in the building?

W. Abt: Yes.

Mr. Smith: I Move to close the Public Hearing at 9:20 pm; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Mr. Smith: I Move to grant the following variances of 249-32: non-conforming use – clubhouse expansion from 14,642 sq/ft to 17,320 sq/ft; cart garage located northeast of club house to 1,056 sq/ft; Seconded.

DISCUSSION: (None)

VOTE:

In favor (aye): 6
Opposed (nay): 0

DECISION:

Mr. Smith: The variance is granted, please see the building department.

JAYCEE & ANNETTE DeGROAT: Request for variances of 249-22-D (setbacks) 249-8-A –5 (pool in front of main building) for property located at 124 Ridgewood Avenue (SEC 75 BL 11 LOT 15); Designated R-1.

Mrs. Thompson: The mailings were reviewed by the Board and filed by the Secretary. The Public Hearing Notice was read at 9:21 pm.

Mr. Smith: I Move to open the Public Hearing at 9:22 pm; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Ms DeGroat: The variance for the pool and deck that goes with it.

Mr. DeGroat: We put up a pool 10 years ago and we need after the fact permit.

Mr. Smith: How did this come about now?

Mrs. DeGroat: We went to remortgage our house and when did they did the title search no permit for the pool that we put up 10 years ago. The mortgage company we needed a permit.

Mr. James Owen: So you went in for a permit and they told you you needed a variance because its not in the right location.

Mrs. DeGroat: Right. Its in front of the house and too close to the neighbor and too close to the house.

Mr. Oster: There is not a lot right here is there?

Mrs. DeGroat: No.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mrs. Thompson: Can’t you move it back?

Mr. DeGroat: I don’t think we would have the property there either.

Mrs. DeGroat: We’d still need variances because too close to the back yard line.

Mr. Oster: You sit far enough back its 60 feet off the front and 9 feet from the house. You show it there 16 feet for the pool. Do those pumps and stuff count because they are another 4 feet over?

Mrs. DeGroat: Do they count as what?

Mr. Oster: Part of the pool – I think they do, you are closer to 12 feet by the time you include those pumps. When I was by there you are saying 16 feet by your map to the drawing, when I was there at the property I believe there was pumps or what ever those are. Part of housing of the pool in my opinion. I am feeling it is closer to 12 feet to the property line. I am also have been kind of if you give something we take something back type of affair. You have old trailer that is close to the property line there.

Mr. DeGroat: Yes.

Mrs. DeGroat: That is our neighbor – yeah.

Mr. DeGroat: No, that is my trailer.

Mr. Oster: You are going to be nudging your property line on your pool can’t we get that trailer out of there?

Mr. DeGroat: Yes I will

Mr. Oster: I guess the mortgage company did not see this – I guess you are okay on this other boarder? By the garage?

Mrs. DeGroat: My neighbor owns half my garage and I own half of my neighbors… yes that is old stuff.

Mr. Smith: Your property slopes down. It does not look bad the way you have it situated. I can understand why you put it there instead of the back yard would be tough.

Mr. James Owen: Not a lot of choices.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Public? (no)

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mrs. Thompson: I don’t see any problem with and don’t know what else they could do with it. Its far from the street.

Mr. Mattatall: You understand this is for this pool; when this kicks the bucket and you replace it you have to meet the process again.

Mr. Oster: should we change that line from 16 feet to 12 feet? Is that what the mortgage company said? 16 feet or that was your measure?

Mrs. DeGroat: The mortgage company just wrote letter to get permits.

Mr. Smith: Rather get 16 feet put pool pump can remain.

Mrs. DeGroat: That is not permanent it goes in in the summer and out in the winder. May I ask another question.

Mr. Smith: Are you going to remove the trailer?

Mr. DeGroat: Yes.

Mr. Smith: I Move to close the Public Hearing at 9:26 pm; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Mr. Smith: I Move to grant the following variance 249-A-K-2, -8-A-1 and –8-A-5: pool setback from house from 10ft to 9ft; side yard set back from 20ft to 15ft; pool closer to the front yard lot line than the principal building subject to following condition: the trailer near the property line will be removed; Seconded.

DISCUSSION: (None)

VOTE:

In favor (aye): 6
Opposed (nay): 0

DECISION:

Mr. Smith: The variances are granted subject to the condition stated. Please see the building department.

BRADFIELD LYON: Request for a variance of 249-8-A-5 (accessory building closer to the front lot line than the primary building) for garage and house; Property located at 347 Mt Joy Road (SEC 78 BL 1 LOT 23.1); Designated R-A.

Mrs. Thompson: The mailings were reviewed by the Board and filed by the Secretary. The Public Hearing Notice was read at 9:29 pm.

Mr. Smith: I Move to open the Public Hearing at 9:30 pm.; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Mr. Lyon We are asking for a variance to put the garage slightly in front of the house the reason is basically the lay of the property of the land and slope behind us and large 100 year old maple tree or something we would not like to remove.

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mrs. Thompson: It is the big house with the garden?

Mrs. Lyon: Yes.

Mr. Oster: This garage – you seem to have a natural ledge and it will sit away from the road according to this drawing before that.

Mr. Smith: They are 60 feet from the road.

Mr. Oster: parallel with the garden then I guess?

Mr. Lyon: Yes, with the doors, facing the house.

Mr. Smith: Any questions from the Public? (no)

Mr. Smith: Any comments from the Board?

Mr. Smith: This is a variance and is it possible to keep the vegetation?

Mr. Lyon: Yes.

Mr. Smith: We don’t like putting something in front of houses because its not the house. You don’t have problem with condition that you leave vegetation in place.

Mr. Lyon: No problem with vegetation per se but I think if anything switch some of the shrubs.

Mr. Smith: I am talking along the road there.

Mr. James Owen: Keep some sort of a buffer there.

Mr. Lyon: No problem.

Mr. Smith: You can add.

Mr. Smith: Any further comments from the Board? (no)

Mr. Lyon: Replacing some of the existing.

Mr. Smith: You are basically a garage down there and sometimes it collects things around there and as long as its not ‘right there’ there trees and brush right along the road there.

Mr. Smith: I Move to close the Public Hearing at 9:35 pm; Seconded; All in favor; Motion carried.

Mr. Smith: I Move to grant the following variance: 249-8-A-5 to place garage in front of principal building with the following condition: the buffer area is left along the road of existing vegetation and trees / shrubs; Seconded.

DISCUSSION: (None)

VOTE:

In favor (aye): 6
Opposed (nay): 0

DECISION:

Mr. Smith: The variance is granted subject to the noted condition; please see the building department.