TOWN
OF WALLKILL PLANNING BOARD
MEETING
SEPTEMBER 18, 2002
MEMBERS
PRESENT: G. Lake, R Carr, A. Dulgarian, G. Monaco, P. Owen
MEMBERS
ABSENT: T. Hamilton, G. Luenzmann
OTHERS
PRESENT: G. Barone, D. McGoey
1.
PUBLIC HEARING 7:30 P.M. - OUR LADY OF MT. CARMEL - SITE PLAN/SPECIAL
USE PERMIT - Euclid Avenue (69-1-47.11) #005-000
G.
Lake: Public Hearing started at 7:35 P.M. C. Kelly read the Public
Hearing notice.
C.
Kelly: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a PUBLIC HEARING of the Planning
Board of the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York, will be
held at the Town Hall in said Town at 600 Route 211 East, in said
Town on the 18th day of September 2002 at 7:30 P.M. or as soon
thereafter as the matter can be heard that day on the application
of the Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Middletown, New York
for approval of Site Plan/Special Use Permit for the construction
of a parish center adjacent to the existing priory and an addition
to the grammar school located at the rear of the grammar school
under Section 249-39 of the Zoning Code of the Town of Wallkill.
The property is located off of Euclid Avenue. All parties of interest
will be heard at said time and place. S/Gary Lake, Chairman
G.
Lake: Gave you give us a description of your project?
T.
Seeley: Basically we're here just for the renewal of an application
that we had made last year that was approved by the Board. It's
for an addition to the school on Euclid Avenue as well as the
parish hall, all as part of the same complex.
G.
Lake: I will go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Nothing.
P.
Owen: Nothing.
R.
Carr: Nothing.
G.
Monaco: Nothing.
Motion to close this PUBLIC HEARING at 7:39 P.M. made by A. Dulgarian
and seconded by P. Owen.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 5 AYES
G.
Lake: Do you have any problems with Dick's comments?
D.
McGoey: We had some Department of Public Works comments.
P.
Cirillo: Right.
D.
McGoey: Can you resolve those without any problems?
P.
Cirillo: Yes. The Town of Wallkill Department of Public Works
because there were some from Middletown Department of Public Works
also?
D.
McGoey: You will have to resolve them all.
P.
Cirillo: In your comments dated September 18th with the storm
drainage those connects to the site drainage by the church and
dumps out behind the woods, behind the church. The potential blockage,
we'll look at that and the appropriate road detail for the water
line. The water line is actually shown incorrectly, it's actually
not in the road, it's on our property.
D.
McGoey: So, will you correct the Site Plan to avoid that?
P.
Cirillo: Yes.
D. McGoey: Put some notes on the plan that you corrected the standing
water problem and the swale.
P.
Cirillo: Okay.
G.
Lake: Did you get anything from the Fire Department?
D.
McGoey: I haven't seen anything.
G.
Lake: I will go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Nothing.
P.
Owen: Nothing.
R.
Carr: Nothing.
G.
Monaco: Nothing.
G.
Lake: I have nothing. This has been before us but unfortunately
they ran out of time.
MOTION
for a NEGATIVE DECLARATION made by P. Owen and seconded by A.
Dulgarian.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 5 AYES
Motion for Site Plan/Special Use Permit subject to all comments
made by P. Owen and seconded by G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 5 AYES
2. PUBLIC HEARING 7:35 P.M. - THE REGENCY CLUB APARTMENTS - SITE
PLAN/SPECIAL USE PERMIT - Schutt Road (73-1-4) #003-002
G.
Lake: Public Hearing started at 7:41 P.M. C. Kelly read the Public
Hearing Notice.
C.
Kelly: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a PUBLIC HEARING of the Planning
Board of the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York, will be
held at the Town Hall at 600 Route 211 East, in said Town on the
18th day of September 2002 at 7:30 P.M. or as soon thereafter
as the matter can be heard that day on the application of Sarna
Enterprises (The Regency Club), 15 Engle Street, Suite 100, Englewood,
New Jersey 07631 for approval of Site Plan/Special Use Permit
for one hundred thirty unit apartment complex located on the northwest
side of Schutt Road, 2,300 feet southwest from the intersection
of Schutt Road and East Main Street under Section 249-39 of the
Code of the Town of Wallkill. All parties of interest will be
heard at said time and place. S/G. Lake, Chairman
L.
Wolinsky: Mr. Chairman, I just want to present also for the record
the affidavit of mailing for the Lead Agency notice.
G.
Lake: Thank you. Give us a brief description of your project.
R. J. Smith: This property consists of twenty two acres. It is
on the west side of Schutt Road immediately north of Canterbury
Knolls. The project consists of one hundred thirty unit residential
community. It's a project that was approved in the last 1980's
and the approvals extended through 19992 at which time the project
was never developed and the approvals expired. The application
is to re-instate the approvals and in order to do so at the Board's
direction we had to address some items and bring the engineering
technically into current standards. The mix of the project consists
of ninety eight one-bedroom units and thirty two; two-bedroom
units. Essentially it's the exact same plan that was designed
in the late 1980's and approved then. The two items that were
done at the Board's direction was to give some attention to the
architectural details and to address the technical issues for
compliance. They did add a community building where the pool is
and what I would like to do is ask Mr. DePew, the Project Engineer,
to just review those technical items that were addressed in the
form of additional studies and updated reports.
T.
DePew: Basically what we did was we went back on to the old plan
and updated it with the new footprints. We re-examined the storm
water to make sure that we got the proper detention with zero
increase of runoff. We also went back and re-analyzed the storm
water runoff to make sure we met today's pollution control requirements
for that, which we are. We're going to have a siltation system
with a detention pond. We provided some additional details in
order to meet those requirements. Basically the water and sewer
remain the same. The water is a loop through the system which
will give us adequate domestic and fire flow. The sewer is going
to be collected to a single point at which an installation of
a pump station with a standby generator and a telemeter will be
supplied. This will pump the sewer up to the existing sewer in
Schutt Road. The sewer and the pump station will be privately
owned by the apartment complex. In addition the traffic study
was updated by John Collins Engineers and we also gave some additional
detail on the pump station that was required over the previous.
G.
Lake: I will go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Why is there a pump station required?
T.
DePew: There is a drop-off.
A.
Dulgarian: And, it's City water and City sewer?
T.
DePew: Town water and Town sewer.
A.
Dulgarian: And you said you were going to configure it out so
it's going to have no increase on the storm water runoff?
T. DePew: Right. The storm water will be collected to a single
point and discharged to a large detention pond which is proposed.
A.
Dulgarian: So, any salt used in the parking lot will be taken
care of?
T.
DePew: Yes. The analysis has all been updated.
P.
Owen: Nothing right now.
R.
Carr: Wait for the Public.
G.
Monaco: Nothing.
J.
McClintock: I'm representing the Mechanicstown Fire District.
I do apologize for not getting Site comments in. We have some
major concerns with access to the site. We would like to see the
circle thirty feet wide. We have a ladder truck almost fifty feet
and I don't think it will make a lot of the turns here. You do
have sixty foot setbacks to the complex. We only have access to
one side. We're looking at being seventy feet away from the building
as it is with parking in front of the structure and the lawn to
the front of the structure. We would like to see the circle thirty
feet wide. I would like to see a six inch main dead-end off the
eight inch. Any trucks that come in here have to back all the
way out here whether it's a garage truck, a UPS truck. We would
also like to see all the buildings sprinklered due to the lack
of access. They will have truss roofs. We would like to see labels
on all front doors stating that they are truss roofs for our safety.
We would also like to eliminate some parking here because of very
tight turns to swing the truck around.
G.
Lake: Are you going to submit that in writing?
J.
McClintock: Yes I will.
A. Dembek: I live at 193 Schutt Road. My main concern is the water
supply they are going to use. We are on a water restriction in
the Town of Wallkill and the traffic. I've lived on Schutt Road
for thirty years and I don't know if any of you have tried to
get out of the driveways there but anymore it's getting almost
impossible and your going to be putting another one hundred thirty
units in so you're talking close to another two hundred cars going
to be out on that road every day. If is does get approved, I would
like to know about a buffer zone between my property and theirs.
I'm going to be right up where the swimming pool is and like that.
I don't need to hear that. Are these going to be bought units
or rental units? Just by looking at the picture I just don't think
that kind of building goes in that area. Everything there is single
family homes except for Wallkill Farm Apartments. I have no problem
with single family homes in there but something like this I think
is just too much, too many people in one area. I don't think the
area can handle it right now.
J.
Zeiger: I'm here representing the Home Owners of Canterbury Knolls.
I guess the first and most important question that maybe we can
ask is the buffer between the new development and Canterbury Knolls.
I see that some of the recreational area has been moved but we're
still near the tennis court and the apartments? What is the landscaping
or what is going to be the buffer between this new development
and Canterbury Knolls? The next question we want to know about
is the detention pond, where is that going to be located? Where
is the water going to be run out and who is going to be responsible
for maintaining that pond? Regarding ingress and egress and the
traffic flow, Canterbury Knolls today is much larger than it was
even a year or two ago. The rest of Canterbury Knolls has been
built and sold out. In the past two years there was approximately
one hundred additional units that were sold there. We want to
make sure that the ingress and egress here doesn't interfere with
the ingress and egress at Canterbury Knolls. I was confused about
the water and sewer and the pump station. We would like to know
is it municipal water and sewer and what is the reason for the
pump station? I wasn't sure I understood the answer to that. Those
are our primary questions at this point.
G.
Lake: Can you submit those comments to us in writing please?
J.
Zeiger: I would be happy to.
G.
Lake: Let me go through the Board.
A.
Dulgarian: Nothing.
P.
Owen: I have nothing.
R.
Carr: Nothing.
G.
Monaco: Nothing.
MOTION to close the PUBLIC HEARING at 7:53 P.M. made by R. Carr
and seconded by G. Monaco.
A.
Dulgarian: Aye
P.
Owen: Aye
R.
Carr: Aye
G.
Monaco: Aye
G.
Lake: Aye
Motion
carried. 5 AYES
G.
Lake: Do you have Dick's comments?
L.
Wolinsky: Yes.
G.
Lake: Take a couple of minutes and we can touch on some of the
stuff we heard tonight and then we will go through his comments.
L.
Wolinsky: What I'll do is I will go down through some of these
and answer the ones that I'm able to respond to and then defer
to our project team with regard to others that I'm not capable
to answer. As far as the Mechanicstown Fire District comments
are concerned, we will have to await receipt of their comments
in writing. I just want to note for the record that we submitted
plans to them over two months ago and this is the first time we've
heard back and we're not happy with that.
G.
Lake: In their defense, Jay is pretty new at picking this chore
up for them. They had somebody else who dropped out. Jay is just
taking it over so he's now coming up to speed on it. In his defense,
I think we have to bear with him.
L.
Wolinsky: When you get the comments we hope that you would . .
.
G.
Lake: In his defense this is only I think his second meeting.
He is trying to come up to speed.
L. Wolinsky: Okay. In terms of water supply, Mr. DePew do you
want to address those?
T.
DePew: As far as the infrastructure goes, I indicated that we're
going to be looping an eight inch line through the entire project
which will give us adequate domestic and fire protection in the
system. I know that the Town is under a restriction now but I
know they are getting additional sources and stuff like that.
I think that was one of the questions. As far as the sewer because
of the topography we need to collect it to one low point which
is located towards the rear of the property by the detention pond.
At that point it would be pumped up to the top of the hill and
tie into a manhole out on Schutt Road. The necessity of a pump
station is just due to the topography. The detention pond itself
is located kind of in the center of the project so it shouldn't
have any aesthetic affect against any of the surrounding properties.
It's actually located half in the Orange & Rockland right-of-way
and it's discharge point is back to where the storm water runs
through the site at this time. We're not creating any new runoff
point or anything like that.
D.
McGoey: What about the maintenance for that?
T.
DePew: The maintenance will be part of the overall project as
is the pump station so it will be the responsibility of the owner
of the apartment complex. As far as the lower area there, we did
move some of the recreation further away from the property line
and we're going to be providing a combination of evergreens and
hardwoods to screen that from the adjoining property. I know the
one person had a concern on the north. He's going to be buffered
I think that's one hundred fifty feet distance there where the
Orange & Rockland right-of-way is so he has a natural one
hundred fifty feet buffer before it will ever get to his property.
We moved the recreation further away from the property line and
we're going to provide additional screening, a combination of
evergreens and hardwoods through there to provide a proper buffer.
L.
Wolinsky: I think that covers most of the questions. There was
one question about if this was rentals. This is a rental project
and is a permitted use in the zoning. We conducted a market analysis
and we believe that it would be a successful project based on
that research. As far as traffic is concerned again I just want
to clarify. We did to a study recently and it did take into account
counts from Canterbury Knolls along that corridor generally so
we picked up that recent traffic
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